2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

yes it is - compare the top guys to the top guys last year

and Misa isn't Celebrini, never mind MacKinnon

We don’t know that, he hasn’t even played an NHL game yet. He had a great D+0 year. I agree with not trading up for just a couple spots, but you cannot just say Misa is bad. He’s going to be a good one too.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Sharks aren’t trading 3rd OA lol, they’re getting Martone or Hagens with that pick.

Probably true, but not really worth an LOL as Grier himself allegedly said he was open to it.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

We don’t know that, he hasn’t even played an NHL game yet. He had a great D+0 year. I agree with not trading up for just a couple spots, but you cannot just say Misa is bad. He’s going to be a good one too.

… he didn’t say Misa was bad, just that he is no Celebrini nor MacKinnon.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

… he didn’t say Misa was bad, just that he is no Celebrini nor MacKinnon.

And we’re just going to proclaim this before he even plays an NHL game? Another thing, MacKinnon wasn’t even a top guy until later in his career too.

If I’m Grier, I’m not moving that pick unless I’m getting something substantial back. We’re not trading Wolf or Parekh so the next best thing would be trading up with our picks but would have to give him something good on top of them.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

We don’t know that, he hasn’t even played an NHL game yet. He had a great D+0 year. I agree with not trading up for just a couple spots, but you cannot just say Misa is bad. He’s going to be a good one too.

What I mean is that his current assessment is less than what Celebrini and especially MacKinnon were. Not saying he's bad, just that some years the top guy is a Matthews, and other years it's an RNH. They are not all generational.

This year just isn't as strong, and it isn't the year that you overpay crazily to move up.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

And we’re just going to proclaim this before he even plays an NHL game? Another thing, MacKinnon wasn’t even a top guy until later in his career too.

We're not proclaiming anything - predicting how players will turn out is an estimate, it isn't an exact science.

But where Misa is at right now, is not at the same level as some of the better #1 overalls have been. It isn't an insult, it's just a fact.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

And we’re just going to proclaim this before he even plays an NHL game? Another thing, MacKinnon wasn’t even a top guy until later in his career too.

You have to compare how Celebrini and MacKinnon were ranked a couple of months before their drafts to where Misa is ranked now - you don’t take their NHL careers and compare that to a player not even drafted yet, no one here is doing thta. MacKinnon and Celebrini were ranked first and were drafted first.

What the #### are we even talking about here? Do you even know? LOL

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

You have to compare how Celebrini and MacKinnon were ranked a couple of months before their drafts to where Misa is ranked now - you don’t take their NHL careers and compare that to a player not even drafted yet. MacKinnon and Celebrini were ranked first and were drafted first.

What the #### are we even talking about here? Do you even know? LOL

That is literally what I am doing.

I think it's you that doesn't know what we're doing there

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That is literally what I am doing.

I think it's you that doesn't know what we're doing there

I think Badgers Nose is actually on your side on this one. Those comments were directed at the posters who were arguing with you.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That is literally what I am doing.

I think it's you that doesn't know what we're doing there

Dude, I didn’t quote you. We are saying the same thing.

Lots of day drinkers today. It’s Sat, I guess that’s OK.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Dude, I didn’t quote you. We are saying the same thing.

Lots of day drinkers today. It’s Sat, I guess that’s OK.

yes, apologies - I thought it was ForeverFlameFan still arguing with me and I responded quickly. I see your intent now.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

yes it is - compare the top guys to the top guys last year

and Misa isn't Celebrini, never mind MacKinnon

Compare it to the last 10 years.

Why would I compare it to one year?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Compare it to the last 10 years.

Why would I compare it to one year?

Okay, compare it to the last 10 - where would you rank it?

Bottom half, IMO, at best in the middle

[ForeverFlameFan]

All I’m saying is Misa is a 2 PPG player right now. I see him as more of a Tavares comparable, which to me is still a franchise player and still worth moving up for. Nobody in the top 4 is moving their pick imo.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think the draft would be bottom third of the last 10 years

[dammage79]

Misas not getting enough love in this draft. He should be the clear cut #1. Way too much betting on projection with Schaefer and Hagens didn't pop like he maybe should have. Frondell should be a bit higher too in my opinion.

And to be clear I understand Schaefer looks to have a great tool set but we didn't see it at all this year. I find it really strange he got big rankings bumps without playing more than 20 games and we don't know if it would have carried through the year. Again, I get it, he's a great D prospect but 1st overall? He doesn't deserve it.

[BigThief]

Schaefer doesn't turn 18 until September, 10 more days and be in next years draft. Yeah, there's alot of projecting going on but that's what the draft is about, projecting talent. More goes into Schaefer due to his injuries and age but I think you take this kid 1st overall without much hesitation.

Porter Malone turns 19 a month later.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Misas not getting enough love in this draft. He should be the clear cut #1. Way too much betting on projection with Schaefer and Hagens didn't pop like he maybe should have. Frondell should be a bit higher too in my opinion.

And to be clear I understand Schaefer looks to have a great tool set but we didn't see it at all this year. I find it really strange he got big rankings bumps without playing more than 20 games and we don't know if it would have carried through the year. Again, I get it, he's a great D prospect but 1st overall? He doesn't deserve it.

Misa is getting a lot of love right now. You have to remember that last summer he was not in the conversation for #1OA. In fact, he wasn't even top 5. McKenzie had him at 7 behind McQueen. So the fact that he is in the #1 conversation is fantastic.

Celebrini on the other hand was the #1 pick ahead of his draft season and stayed on top throughout that season as consensus #1. This definitely does not say Misa is not going to be good but instead suggest that he won't be quite at the level of Bedard or Celebrini.

I would honestly take this as a positive because that might make it more likely to see the Sharks or Blue Jackets trade out their picks for help now if they feel the prospects are not at the same level as previous years.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Schaefer doesn't turn 18 until September, 10 more days and be in next years draft. Yeah, there's alot of projecting going on but that's what the draft is about, projecting talent. More goes into Schaefer due to his injuries and age but I think you take this kid 1st overall without much hesitation.

Porter Malone turns 19 a month later.

Yeah. And every team is looking for the next Makar. Not saying Schaefer is that but in his limited viewings, he has looked to have a similar toolbox. Elite skater who can dominate all over the ice. I think he projects to at least be a Thomas Harley-level player which could have more value than a 2nd line center… which I think most of the top centers in this draft are projected to be.

To be clear… Misa would be my pick if the flames were picking first overall right now. Just saying, I can understand the hype that Schaefer is getting when in limited viewings.

[Tbull8]

I think the Tavares comparison is a good one. Or even stamkos. Franchise players but not in the generational superstar category. Hedman and Doughty were picked after each of them and an argument could be made for either of those dmen at 1