2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Didn’t see that.

Nevertheless, Jiri’s right. If a pending UFA goalie has ever been traded for his rights only, that would be a first as far as I’m aware.

I think the list likely outcome is Vladar hits the market and signs where he gets his best offer.

100 percent agree with you but a fan can dream dammit

[Paulie Walnuts]

Late 1st round picks a 2nd pairing defenceman and backup goalie won’t get you the #1 overall pick. It’s just a bunch of stuff.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Late 1st round picks a 2nd pairing defenceman and backup goalie won’t get you the #1 overall pick. It’s just a bunch of stuff.

Let me have my dreams dammit!! plus I feel like Grier might be under pressure to start speeding up the rebuild… but I agree it likely costs more than our spare parts.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Let me have my dreams dammit!! plus I feel like Grier might be under pressure to start speeding up the rebuild… but I agree it likely costs more than our spare parts.

I don’t think Grier’s under pressure. SJ is, league wide, a pretty mild environment to operate in. Sharks already look to have more promise than some of the other bottom feeders, Chicago and Buffalo, namely.

I think their rebuild is moving along nicely. Add another top 5 pick, this team could be humming in a couple years.

It could turnout to be very shortsighted for them to try and expedite things at this point. If he is going to entertain trading that pick I’d bet it would have to be very enticing.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I don’t think Grier’s under pressure. SJ is, league wide, a pretty mild environment to operate in. Sharks already look to have more promise than some of the other bottom feeders, Chicago and Buffalo, namely.

I think their rebuild is moving along nicely. Add another top 5 pick, this team could be humming in a couple years.

Judging my feelings based on what the SJ insider was saying with Grier potentially being willing to trade his 1st this year; obviously my tabled offer is laughable but don’t discount what he could theoretically obtain for that pick; they have boatloads of youth already and need to start building team confidence within all of their high end talent; a trade that gets them some veteran presence while still giving them prospects/picks to add to their base isn’t a laughable notion.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Judging my feelings based on what the SJ insider was saying with Grier potentially being willing to trade his 1st this year; obviously my tabled offer is laughable but don’t discount what he could theoretically obtain for that pick; they have boatloads of youth already and need to start building team confidence within all of their high end talent; a trade that gets them some veteran presence while still giving them prospects/picks to add to their base isn’t a laughable notion.

Well, I didn’t say it was laughable. Who knows what GM’s are thinking? I don’t. If the right offer came along for the Sharks pick, maybe. After all, supposedly Bédard is available.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Well, I didn’t say it was laughable. Who knows what GM’s are thinking? I don’t. If the right offer came along for the Sharks pick, maybe. After all, supposedly Bédard is available.

Now we’re cooking with gas; Chicago kinda resets their time line and man oh man would Bedard look lethal with Smith, Celebrini, Eklund and the rest of the youth movement there.

[Monahammer]

The only type of scenario I could see it happening in:

Flames win the lottery and move to 6th
Boston wins 2nd pick
SJ takes Schaefer
Boston, og 6th pick, already loves someone like Jake Obrien or Frondell
Flames still have to pay through the teeth, something like 6th+coronato+bzrutewicz
Flames draft Misa.

The exact lotto scenario has come up for me a few times on the sim but it's bad odds. The trade would be hurtful but to lockdown something like Misa I would do it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Now we’re cooking with gas; Chicago kinda resets their time line and man oh man would Bedard look lethal with Smith, Celebrini, Eklund and the rest of the youth movement there.

I doubt Chicago wants to reset their timeline at all.

Their defensive core already looks in place with 21 year old and younger players, other than Vlasic, who I think is 23.

Nazar looked exceptionally good at the end of the season, in fact Chicago took a big jump late in the season. Not playoff jump, but a jump from bottom feeder.

They have perhaps the best prospects in the league and tons of draft picks in the next 2 years.

Getting Knight has likely filled in the missing large piece of their young puzzle.

They look to be further ahead than SJ, who have a better crop of young forwards, but are severely lacking on the back end. But forwards are easier to find than dmen.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I doubt Chicago wants to reset their timeline at all.

Their defensive core already looks in place with 21 year old and younger players, other than Vlasic, who I think is 23.

Nazar looked exceptionally good at the end of the season, in fact Chicago took a big jump late in the season. Not playoff jump, but a jump from bottom feeder.

They have perhaps the best prospects in the league and tons of draft picks in the next 2 years.

Getting Knight has likely filled in the missing large piece of their young puzzle.

They look to be further ahead than SJ, who have a better crop of young forwards, but are severely lacking on the back end. But forwards are easier to find than dmen.

Chicago snagging knight is an under the radar coup for sure. I wonder if gms knew he could be acquired, I imagine there are some clubs mad they missed the boat.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I doubt Chicago wants to reset their timeline at all.

Their defensive core already looks in place with 21 year old and younger players, other than Vlasic, who I think is 23.

Nazar looked exceptionally good at the end of the season, in fact Chicago took a big jump late in the season. Not playoff jump, but a jump from bottom feeder.

They have perhaps the best prospects in the league and tons of draft picks in the next 2 years.

Getting Knight has likely filled in the missing large piece of their young puzzle.

They look to be further ahead than SJ, who have a better crop of young forwards, but are severely lacking on the back end. But forwards are easier to find than dmen.

To set the record straight, I was joking.

I don’t think there is any circumstance in which Chicago would entertain trading Bédard. Certainly not for a draft pick even if it was 1OA. Nor do I think SJ will trade their pick.

My intent was to make light of the type of discourse/‘rumours’ we see around this time of year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The only type of scenario I could see it happening in:

Flames win the lottery and move to 6th
Boston wins 2nd pick
SJ takes Schaefer
Boston, og 6th pick, already loves someone like Jake Obrien or Frondell
Flames still have to pay through the teeth, something like 6th+coronato+bzrutewicz
Flames draft Misa.

The exact lotto scenario has come up for me a few times on the sim but it's bad odds. The trade would be hurtful but to lockdown something like Misa I would do it.

That's nuts. That's essentially giving up Brzustewicz to move from 6 to 4, and giving up Coronato to move from 4 to 2.

In a weak draft year.

I wouldn't do either part of that, never mind the whole thing. Take whatever C is available at 6, keep the other assets, and hope that pick turns out as good or better than Misa.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Chicago snagging knight is an under the radar coup for sure. I wonder if gms knew he could be acquired, I imagine there are some clubs mad they missed the boat.

Knight was generally not available.

The Panthers wanted Seth Jones, for some reason. And badly obviously.

And they needed retention. Knight needed to be included to make the cap work.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I understand our need for a young #1 franchise center but this the wrong draft to move up in imo.

I think our amateur scouting is the best.

[saillias]

The source of the Bedard thing is Craig Button saying Bedard's agents should tell him not to sign an extension right away and wait another year. That's it. That somehow became Bedard's agent telling him not to sign to Bedard being available.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I’ll play devils advocate here and say that Vladar, Andersson and 2 late 1st’s wouldn’t be enough for SJ to trade the 3rd.

1 - Andersson’s going to be 29 looking for a big contract. His play this year declined significantly and his impact out there was noticeable to all teams.
2 - Our 1st’s are going to be late round picks, nothing of impact most likely
3 - Other teams could offer better, Florida’s for example is looking to move Ekblad who is likely more desirable than Andersson
4 - How well does Andersson fit the window for SJ? I see a fit, but I don’t know about the price. They could wait 1 more year and get him for free, I don’t think they’re pushing for a cup next season.

When it comes to these types of trades I always reverse the idea in my head and act as if Calgary had the 3rd pick. Would I be happy to toss that away for Andersson and 2 late 1sts?? I’m not so sure, maybe last year when Andersson looked like a completely different player.

Guess it would come down to where SJ wants to be and if they think he can turn it around there for them.
I’d argue if they were defensively focused they would maybe blink at it if you threw in 1 of Bruz, Morin or Mews as well.

Right now, the Sharks do not have a top pair and at best they have a hodgepodge of second / third pair defenders. Dickenson has great potential but is years away. If their plan is to stop living in the NHL basement then they are going to need to push Ferraro and Liljegren out of their top pair by the end of the summer.

1 - I still think that this board devalues Andersson much more harshly than the rest of the league (not you necessarily, just a lot of the posters in general). Ignoring the excuse of him playing on a broken foot, I think most GMs would evaluate him as a 1B/2A defender who is currently carrying too much of the workload after Conroy gutted the Flames D by shipping out Hanifin, Tanev, and Zadorov. Andersson is playing 1st pair minutes and is doing so with a guy who is effectively in his second full season in the league. (Also, while Bahl was injured Andersson's situation was even harder.) With a stronger D partner, Andersson would be good in the top pair.

4- The main thing to consider about Andersson is that he still looks to be the best available UFA D in the 2026 class and I think there is very little chance he is still available by then. If the Flames move him this summer, then any team receiving him is going to expect that he gets an extension (and the Flames will want to move him with said extension to increase the trade value). The tough part is that the draft happens before an extension can be worked out... and if Ekblad is plan A, they won't know if they can land him until July.

3- Florida offering Ekblad's negotiation rights is worth significantly less than Andersson under contract for another year, even if Ekblad is the better player. Much to your own point, the Sharks can just wait a month and get Ekblad for free. But I do agree that there are likely other teams that can put together a better package... I am just not sure how many of those teams are motivated to actually do so. The Flames are super motivated to try and get either the Sharks or Blue Jackets' picks, if the cost isn't insane.

2- I agree on the 1st. I only include it because I am sure the Sharks would still want a pick in the first round back in the trade. I don't know if they care about getting both of the Flames 1sts as they already have an extra from the Stars and a massive logjam of a prospect pool. Note: The Sharks are sitting at 45/50 contracts right now with 26 non-roster players and 22 players on their reserve list.

I think the main thing would be to combine Andersson with one of the better D prospects (Brzustewicz, Kuznetsov, Morin, Mews) which would give the Sharks immediate and future help at D. But one wouldn't need to go crazy with the offer as the draft doesn't have the "generational" or "franchise" level talent of other drafts. Also, the news that the CBJ pick may be up for grabs may also undermine the value of the Sharks pick.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Sharks aren’t trading 3rd OA lol, they’re getting Martone or Hagens with that pick.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by saillias

The source of the Bedard thing is Craig Button saying Bedard's agents should tell him not to sign an extension right away and wait another year. That's it. That somehow became Bedard's agent telling him not to sign to Bedard being available.

And the reason for not signing is because the cap will be going up.

And when does Button’s opinion matter?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That's nuts. That's essentially giving up Brzustewicz to move from 6 to 4, and giving up Coronato to move from 4 to 2.

In a weak draft year.

I wouldn't do either part of that, never mind the whole thing. Take whatever C is available at 6, keep the other assets, and hope that pick turns out as good or better than Misa.

It’s not a weak draft year at the top.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

It’s not a weak draft year at the top.

yes it is - compare the top guys to the top guys last year

and Misa isn't Celebrini, never mind MacKinnon