2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Lanny_McDonald]

It would be sooooo Calgary Flames to elect to go rebuild immediately after one of the best draft classes in a couple decades and trading away a bunch of draft picks for upcoming drafts to complete after a season where they should have clearly taken opportunity to rebuild.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

It would be sooooo Calgary Flames to elect to go rebuild immediately after one of the best draft classes in a couple decades and trading away a bunch of draft picks for upcoming drafts to complete after a season where they should have clearly taken opportunity to rebuild.

It would be the most Flames thing ever that's for sure.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

It would be sooooo Calgary Flames to elect to go rebuild immediately after one of the best draft classes in a couple decades and trading away a bunch of draft picks for upcoming drafts to complete after a season where they should have clearly taken opportunity to rebuild.

The only pick they traded that is a slight concern is the pick they traded to dump Monahan. Other than that it is some 4th and 5th round picks.

They might still get 2023 draft picks before the draft but the deadline is a tough spot to trade players with term. I also don't think the Flames will desperately miss some late firsts that they may have been able to get in 23 as they would have to take cap dumps back.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

It would be sooooo Calgary Flames to elect to go rebuild immediately after one of the best draft classes in a couple decades and trading away a bunch of draft picks for upcoming drafts to complete after a season where they should have clearly taken opportunity to rebuild.

Better late than never. We're still getting a top end prospect in this draft no matter what spot in the 1st round. The top 3 in this draft is a lot better than most, but we were never going to get in one of those spots in the first place.
There are top prospects in every draft, especially if you're drafting top 5/top 10.

I will be on the rebuild train hard core if one or two of the following happen:

A) Bedard falls to either Anaheim or San Jose. That kind of player accelerates one's rebuild significantly.
B) Calgary fails to make any noise in the playoffs (if they even make it).

Point A has a high chance of happening when combining the odds of both Californian teams in the Bedard sweepstakes, point B has an even higher likelihood of happening.

The Pacific is already hard enough with the caliber of top end players in it.

- LA has Kopitar/Danault as two-way monsters
- Seattle has Beniers/Wright
- Edmonton with McDavid/Draisaitl
- Vancouver coming around with EP40 paving the way as a top center in the NHL
- Vegas with Eichel

Leaving Anaheim, San Jose, and us.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Better late than never. We're still getting a top end prospect in this draft no matter what spot in the 1st round. The top 3 in this draft is a lot better than most, but we were never going to get in one of those spots in the first place.
There are top prospects in every draft, especially if you're drafting top 5/top 10.

I will be on the rebuild train hard core if one or two of the following happen:

A) Bedard falls to either Anaheim or San Jose. That kind of player accelerates one's rebuild significantly.
B) Calgary fails to make any noise in the playoffs (if they even make it).

Point A has a high chance of happening when combining the odds of both Californian teams in the Bedard sweepstakes, point B has an even higher likelihood of happening.

The Pacific is already hard enough with the caliber of top end players in it.

- LA has Kopitar/Danault as two-way monsters
- Seattle has Beniers/Wright
- Edmonton with McDavid/Draisaitl
- Vancouver coming around with EP40 paving the way as a top center in the NHL
- Vegas with Eichel

Leaving Anaheim, San Jose, and us.

Anaheim and potentially SJ are about to add top end centers in this draft.

That leaves just us with Kadri and Backlund to match up against the rest of the division.

[Ashes]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Flames can't afford to lose Lindholm IMO. If they are looking to dump a center it should be Backlund. Older player coming off a great season (for him) and unlikely to see a sustained level of play at that level. Backlund is a third line center and can be replaced internally, something that cannot be said about Lindholm. Lindholm is extremely important for this team going forward. With him, we might be able to retool on the fly with the right coach, without him, we're definitely going rebuild because we can't replace that position in the lineup.

Fair point, with Kadri inked long-term it does seem to be coming down to a decision between keeping one of Lindholm/Backlund. If it's Lindholm going out the door I think it changes the outlook of the team a lot more drastically than Backlund IMO.

For arguments sake I think Lindholm - Kadri is much more appealing as our 1/2 than Kadri - Backlund. However if Lindholm makes it clear that he isn't going to sign with the team or if they feel that the dollars don't make sense at least they can get a large return for Lindholm.

Unfortunately, as others have said I don't think its a guarantee that if Lindholm is traded that the team would go full rebuild, I think management would be banking on it like this:

- The return for Lindholm has to be sizeable, preference for 1st/2nd Round Picks and Solid Prospect(s) or younger C's that can help the team compete in the next 1-3 years.

- Bounce back season for Huberdeau/Kadri that sees them contributing a lot more offensively (especially Huby) over the next few years

- The new kids coming up are reaching their potential or showing solid progression over the next few years (Pelletier, Coronato, Wolf, Zary, Poirier.)

Hopefully one way or another we get some clarity on the situation by the 23 draft, but I suppose we first need to know who the GM is going to be next year and whether Daryl will be back. Let's just hope there's a plan and that they've learned their lesson with walking UFA's right to the deadline. This organization can't be losing either of those players for nothing.

[Monahammer]

I agree with Lanny here. They are, again, late to the party and short change. Start the sale pre trade deadline and we could have reaped even more. Toffoli this deadline would have got a huge amount. Then you start the bidding on guys like lindy and last until the draft if needed.

[Southside403]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I agree with Lanny here. They are, again, late to the party and short change. Start the sale pre trade deadline and we could have reaped even more. Toffoli this deadline would have got a huge amount. Then you start the bidding on guys like lindy and last until the draft if needed.

Great post but let's say the flames make in this year and win a few rounds or even up to wcf do you still go that root or does front office mind's get clouded with those decisions?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I agree with Lanny here. They are, again, late to the party and short change. Start the sale pre trade deadline and we could have reaped even more. Toffoli this deadline would have got a huge amount. Then you start the bidding on guys like lindy and last until the draft if needed.

People keep saying this but I don't think it is true. Chychrun is the only player that went with term and no cap back and the Coyotes took less than what they were holding out for. Would have been a late first and cap dump for Toffoli. They can do that in the offseason or next deadline without a dump.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Better late than never. We're still getting a top end prospect in this draft no matter what spot in the 1st round.

If you think every first round pick in this draft will end up being a top end prospect, you are like very wrong.

Sure this is potentially a great draft, but there will be duds like every other year.

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

What core?

The only players here from the 18-19 season are Backlund, Lindholm, and Hanifin.

I guess Dube, Andersson, Mangiapane, and Kylington all played some games too but were rookies.

So really there is no such thing as "This Core" having success with Peters and Hartley.

3 regulars played for Peters in 18-19.

1 Regular played for Hartley in 14-15.

So.. all of the Flames ineptitude with players is all because of Backlund. And some of you want to make him captain..

[Shazam]

Definitely need to move someone to sign Lucic.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Definitely need to move someone to sign Lucic.

Will be Sutter’s first priority. The Ritchie bros and Lucic

[Geeoff]

I think it's premature to say what the Flames will do. Don't even have a GM in place

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think it's premature to say what the Flames will do. Don't even have a GM in place

I don’t think it’s premature at all. Rebuild on the fly and try to make the playoffs as is tradition.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If you think every first round pick in this draft will end up being a top end prospect, you are like very wrong.

Sure this is potentially a great draft, but there will be duds like every other year.

Of course. However, when they're first drafted most first rounders are highly touted. It's on them whether or not they amount to their potential. What I am saying is this draft is deep, we have a teens pick at the moment, and with that pick we are likely going to grab someone that is going to be a top 5/top 3 prospect in our cupboards. So, even if we are "delaying" the rebuild, it's better late than never, and at least we already have some good pieces moving forward in Wolf, Pelletier, Coronato, maybe Zary.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think it's premature to say what the Flames will do. Don't even have a GM in place

I think we know whats happening.

1. BT renews or
2. Sutter takes over GM/Coach and Connie steps up in seniority to make that feasible. Basically DS’s right hand.

If they were shopping GMs there would be smoke. No smoke means the team knows what it plans to do.

[LanceUppercut]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think we know whats happening.

1. BT renews or
2. Sutter takes over GM/Coach and Connie steps up in seniority to make that feasible. Basically DS’s right hand.

If they were shopping GMs there would be smoke. No smoke means the team knows what it plans to do.

3. BT = President of Hockey Ops. Connie promoted to GM.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by LanceUppercut

3. BT = President of Hockey Ops. Connie promoted to GM.

Craig Conroy-The Darryl Whisperer

[Toonage]

I don't think there is a scenario in which Sutter & Treliving are on the same team next season.