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Old 09-05-2024, 10:59 PM   #13801
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Ok. I'm saying he's not pro-union so it's surprising to me if he is indeed luring pro-union voters to his side.

And you can list any reason you want for him to win the next election but there's only one that really matters, he's not Trudeau. That's pretty much it. He's not some great option or leader. People just hate Trudeau and the NDP aren't an option.
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I find that incredible to believe. If so, he's not drawing them away because he's pro-union, it has to be for other reasons.
Mulcair cited Poilievre pushing a reluctant CPC caucus to support anti-scab legislation.

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I find that incredible to believe. If so, he's not drawing them away because he's pro-union, it has to be for other reasons.
Nah, the NDP have definitely ####ed up and ceded their traditional union roots under Singh, and even at the provincial level. In the last round of negotiations with gov workers in BC, they got caught doing union-busting tactics.

Obviously, I don't believe PP truly supports unions, but the NDP are reaping what they sowed.
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Mulcair cited Poilievre pushing a reluctant CPC caucus to support anti-scab legislation.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rep...nate-1.7238410
Their options were literally vote in favour and it might convince some people that they’re not anti worker or vote against it, the legislations passes anyways and you’ve shown your true colours.
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Please tell me you aren't using this kind of thing on Xitter of all places as some sort of metric for the feelings of average Canadians. Please.
Obviously Twitter likes are about as valuable as the thanks given in this forum to use as a metric for feelings of the average Canadian. Never claimed it to be a metric (that's your claim) just found that exchange humorous involving an unpopular party leader.

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Old 09-06-2024, 09:14 AM   #13806
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It's much worse than just the Russian jets...



https://albertapolitics.ca/2024/08/t...ur-home-video/


Good old stock Canadian stuff.

I guess Singh and his team at the NDP learned nothing from the recent past.

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The New Democrats used a stock image from Russia in a recent video, weeks after the party criticized the Conservatives for doing the same.

On Wednesday, NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh announced in a video message that he was ending the supply and confidence deal with the Liberal government, while accusing Conservative policies of hurting Canadians, including retirees.

The video then flashes to a stock video of two seniors sitting at a table looking at their laptop.

The Canadian Press independently verified from several stock image sites, including Getty Images, that the video originated from Russia.

The two seniors are also featured in photographs on a website for a Russian university, which says they are faculty members there.
Last month New Democrats denounced the Conservative Party of Canada after it used non-Canadian stock images in one of its videos, including Russian fighter jets.

The Conservative Party deleted the video after online criticism, saying "mistakes happen," while pointing out that a Liberal ad from 2011 was scrutinized over its use of stock images.

At the time, MP Charlie Angus, NDP deputy critic for ethics, criticized the use of non-Canadian images in political messaging.

"I love Canada. I want the next election to be run in Canada, for Canada," Angus said in a statement on Aug. 19.
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Both mistakes, but one is painting a picture of "Canada" to give us the feels, and the other is a stock image to show people struggling. Would you care to rank which you think is a far worse mistake?
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Both mistakes, but one is painting a picture of "Canada" to give us the feels, and the other is a stock image to show people struggling. Would you care to rank which you think is a far worse mistake?
To be honest neither is worse. I and probably the vast majority of people don't give a #### about who is in a video or photo and where it came from. Digging into this stuff and creating these gotcha narratives is moronic.
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To be honest neither is worse. I and probably the vast majority of people don't give a #### about who is in a video or photo and where it came from. Digging into this stuff and creating these gotcha narratives is moronic.
Yeah it’s silly and not a great look but when it comes down to it this is probably just the result of both parties using marketing firms to create content for them and not giving them instructions to not use certain stock footage.
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Yeah it’s silly and not a great look but when it comes down to it this is probably just the result of both parties using marketing firms to create content for them and not giving them instructions to not use certain stock footage.
+1. If this was actually the biggest problem our political system had to debate then everything is perfect.

Are we really enforcing "buy Canadian" on stock photos?
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Old 09-06-2024, 09:39 AM   #13811
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Ehhhhhh . . . . . Marketing firms, sure, but how irresponsible does it appear to be that multiple Canadian political parties didn't do any quality control in their rush to put out partisan content?

If you buy a product - particularly an ad or a piece of media - wouldn't you scrutinize it before it goes public? Especially in the heated domain of politics? There's enough rubberneckers in their red meat staff to flag this stuff.

Amateur amateur amateur and all because they need to feed the agenda machine.
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Old 09-06-2024, 09:41 AM   #13812
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Yeah it’s silly and not a great look but when it comes down to it this is probably just the result of both parties using marketing firms to create content for them and not giving them instructions to not use certain stock footage.
The Russian jets is a weird miss because there’s something specific to that. Like creating a video promoting Calgary and using a stock footage clip of Edmonton’s arena instead of the Saddledome. But I don’t think I know anyone who could tell you the country source of almost any of the generic, non-identifier stock footage clips we use.
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Old 09-06-2024, 09:44 AM   #13813
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Ehhhhhh . . . . . Marketing firms, sure, but how irresponsible does it appear to be that multiple Canadian political parties didn't do any quality control in their rush to put out partisan content?

If you buy a product - particularly an ad or a piece of media - wouldn't you scrutinize it before it goes public? Especially in the heated domain of politics? There's enough rubberneckers in their red meat staff to flag this stuff.

Amateur amateur amateur and all because they need to feed the agenda machine.
They’re not spending their own money on it so it’s really not that surprising.
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Old 09-06-2024, 11:52 AM   #13814
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Singh gets called out that this breakup move appears to be political and self serving due to the negative impact it has had on the party, versus it being about Liberal policies or bettering Canadians. As pointed out, Liberals could easily come back against Pharmacare. Pharmacare is an empty shell of what what promised and requested, it came past the 2023 deadline despite NDP rhetoric about pulling support, it's still not law and now he's claiming it's all good NDP's job is done? Corporate greed is supposedly the last reason, yet he supported the Liberal budget and nearly every Liberal policies? He also alluded to the rail strikes being the straw that broke the camel's back, but he also made the video a month ago as a counter that he is not just doing what Poilievre told him to do?



https://twitter.com/user/status/1780329390666055745

Singh and the NDP later proceeds to vote for the budget after this bizarre tweet. Whine about corporate handouts, and then vote for the very same budget that has them? Does that not make the NDP and Singh complicit in that corporate handout?

If he thinks Poilievre is worried and believe the election is now between the CPC and NDP, back it up with a vote of non confidence on the government he just condemned in a video (yet supported for years) and get Canadians to the polls. Let the population decide, anything else is just continuing to prop up a very unpopular government.

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Old 09-06-2024, 12:31 PM   #13815
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We've come such a long way since the days of Jack Layton.

Sad, really.
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Old 09-06-2024, 02:17 PM   #13816
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I would suspect that this next federal election will be the end of the Jagmeet era for the NDP.
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I would suspect that this next federal election will be the end of the Jagmeet era for the NDP.
Personally, and this is just an uninformed opinion, I think this election is going to be an Enema.

End of Jagmeet, end of Trudeau and I dont think Poilievre, if he wins, will last very long.

Then we shall be ruled by Elizabeth May and David Suzuki shall be our Economics Minister.

Oh its gonna be swell!
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I would suspect that this next federal election will be the end of the Jagmeet era for the NDP.
I think Notley has to step up into that void. She's got a proven track record of being able to govern in the middle and she has support in Alberta.

It would signal a very serious shift away from things like the Leap Manifesto and hopefully give the party some direction and focus back to it's labour roots. What the NDP need to do right now is stay away from the so-called "woke" issues and instead actually show leadership todays labour, that is where PP has been resonating as a difference to Trudeau, but the CPC is no better than the UCP policy wise.
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I think Notley has to step up into that void. She's got a proven track record of being able to govern in the middle and she has support in Alberta.

It would signal a very serious shift away from things like the Leap Manifesto and hopefully give the party some direction and focus back to it's labour roots. What the NDP need to do right now is stay away from the so-called "woke" issues and instead actually show leadership todays labour, that is where PP has been resonating as a difference to Trudeau, but the CPC is no better than the UCP policy wise.
Ehhh....that might not actually be a bad idea.

Jagmeet is done. Notley could win a Provincial riding and, as I've said, its time for a change.
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I don’t mind the idea of Notley running running to be an MP because I agree she would have a strong chance of winning a riding but if the party wants to get more support from the working class I don’t think another lawyer leading the party is going to be helpful. Just my opinion.
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