2024 Off-season trade rumours and speculation thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

That's still horrendous.

I don't disagree.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have heard by multiple people the hardline was actually $8.5M x 8.

I had heard from someone who heard this from Bean directly. Flames offered $8.3Mx8 and Lindholm countered at $9.3M. Flames came back at $8.6M and Lindholm came back with $9.3M. Just no budging at all from the Lindholm camp. The way Lindy talked about it was “he was willing to stay” so even when he addressed the fact he was willing to stay instead of wanting to stay and the negotiations broke off right at the beginning of the year and never picked up

[Ferarri]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I have heard by multiple people the hardline was actually $8.5M x 8.

Given his play, that could have been a close contender to being almost as bad as the Huberdeau contract. Massively dodged a bullet.

[dammage79]

Lindholm didn't want to stay. Proof in the fact there was zero negotiating on his end. I am grateful Flames managed to stick to their guns and move on, it wasn't even a debate given his performance this season. In a contract year of all years. Dude couldn't even muster up enough effort to try and earn his lofty contract demands.

Makes me feel really bummed out that my favorite Flame player went out like that.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I had heard from someone who heard this from Bean directly. Flames offered $8.3Mx8 and Lindholm countered at $9.3M. Flames came back at $8.6M and Lindholm came back with $9.3M. Just no budging at all from the Lindholm camp. The way Lindy talked about it was “he was willing to stay” so even when he addressed the fact he was willing to stay instead of wanting to stay and the negotiations broke off right at the beginning of the year and never picked up

I wonder if anyone on the Flames side lowkey sabotaged the negotiations. Maybe the owners were pushing to move the Flames offer up, and this person made sure that didn't happen. Or maybe someone went as far as to hype up the Lindholm camp to have him increase his own offers.

I'm probably over thinking this. However, so many of the statements coming out of the coaching and management staff almost talk about a rebuild like its a secret thing happening behind the surface of the official motto, which is to always be competitive. Like the only way to get a rebuild going is to form a secret cabal and go behind the owners' backs.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

willing to stay instead of wanting to stay

This is a very astute point. It's important to know the difference when players say this.

[chedder]

Definitely dodged a bullet on an 8 year major overpay for a player that told you he'll only stay if you massively overpay him. Good riddance.

The 1st round pick and the young defenceman are, hopefully, going to be a way better way to improve this team.

[MrMike]

9.3 over 8 years wow. Now he's worth a 3.9 over 8 years

I wouldn't want the Flames to give him a 5 x 5. I think he will get a 5 x 6.5 from a Columbus or a 3 x 7mil from a regular team. Or a one year 6.9 from Boston

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Toonage

IMO ownership would see Celebrini as the start and end of a retool and that adding that talent to this lineup would mean going for it. In addition to what could be spent in free agency.

Not with our D core in the state that it is currently in

[stemit14]

Saw a headline that the hurricanes healthy-scratched Kotkaniemi against the bruins due him not playing as well as they’d like after a breakout season last year. Depending on how he responds and how both he and the Hurricanes do in the playoffs this year…. I wonder if they’ll be looking to trade him in the offseason? I really don’t know his value as I don’t follow the hurricanes much. He is a former high draft pick that is 23 years old and known to be a two-way center. He is signed for 6 years after this season at a cap hit of 4.8 million.

Not sure if he will even be available but, if he was, I wonder if the flames would target him? He fits the mold of a player a team acquires as part of a retool. While his contract is long, the cap hit is not crazy high if management thinks he could reach his potential as a solid two-way center. If he did, he could potentially be a Backlund replacement when he chooses to retire.

Would his acquisition cost be high? I really don’t know. Surely there would be at least a few teams interested considering what he has shown flashes of in the past. Would Vancouver’s 2024 1st round pick + B-level prospect get it done? That might favour the flames too much - he is a young NHL center even if Carolina is frustrated with him. Don’t think you could expect him to be anything more than a 2nd/3rd line center though.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Saw a headline that the hurricanes healthy-scratched Kotkaniemi against the bruins due him not playing as well as they’d like after a breakout season last year. Depending on how he responds and how both he and the Hurricanes do in the playoffs this year…. I wonder if they’ll be looking to trade him in the offseason? I really don’t know his value as I don’t follow the hurricanes much. He is a former high draft pick that is 23 years old and known to be a two-way center. He is signed for 6 years after this season at a cap hit of 4.8 million.

Not sure if he will even be available but, if he was, I wonder if the flames would target him? He fits the mold of a player a team acquires as part of a retool. While his contract is long, the cap hit is not crazy high if management thinks he could reach his potential as a solid two-way center. If he did, he could potentially be a Backlund replacement when he chooses to retire.

Would his acquisition cost be high? I really don’t know. Surely there would be at least a few teams interested considering what he has shown flashes of in the past. Would Vancouver’s 2024 1st round pick + B-level prospect get it done? That might favour the flames too much - he is a young NHL center even if Carolina is frustrated with him. Don’t think you could expect him to be anything more than a 2nd/3rd line center though.

He's really not good. His draft capital has kept him in the NHL longer than he should have been.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Saw a headline that the hurricanes healthy-scratched Kotkaniemi against the bruins due him not playing as well as they’d like after a breakout season last year. Depending on how he responds and how both he and the Hurricanes do in the playoffs this year…. I wonder if they’ll be looking to trade him in the offseason? I really don’t know his value as I don’t follow the hurricanes much. He is a former high draft pick that is 23 years old and known to be a two-way center. He is signed for 6 years after this season at a cap hit of 4.8 million.

Not sure if he will even be available but, if he was, I wonder if the flames would target him? He fits the mold of a player a team acquires as part of a retool. While his contract is long, the cap hit is not crazy high if management thinks he could reach his potential as a solid two-way center. If he did, he could potentially be a Backlund replacement when he chooses to retire.

Would his acquisition cost be high? I really don’t know. Surely there would be at least a few teams interested considering what he has shown flashes of in the past. Would Vancouver’s 2024 1st round pick + B-level prospect get it done? That might favour the flames too much - he is a young NHL center even if Carolina is frustrated with him. Don’t think you could expect him to be anything more than a 2nd/3rd line center though.

I would be really hesitant to give up a first for him.

He's essentially a reclamation project at this point in time and one that comes with a significant contract thus there a considerable risk. If Carolina was looking to move him I would wait and see what the offer was and try to give up as little as possible (maybe a 3rd)

He could end up becoming a 50 point responsible centre but he could also remain a 25-30 point third liner who makes nearly 5 million. Hard to gauge his value.

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

I would be really hesitant to give up a first for him.

He's essentially a reclamation project at this point in time and one that comes with a significant contract thus there a considerable risk. If Carolina was looking to move him I would wait and see what the offer was and try to give up as little as possible (maybe a 3rd)

He could end up becoming a 50 point responsible centre but he could also remain a 25-30 point third liner who makes nearly 5 million. Hard to gauge his value.

There have been talk of the Canes buying him out because at his age, the buyout is 1/3 the contract value. KK will not cost a late 1st to acquire if we were indeed interested. I would expect a deal to look like:

Mangiapane (25%) retained + Cole Schwindt (or Solovyov)
for
KK

[traptor]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Saw a headline that the hurricanes healthy-scratched Kotkaniemi against the bruins due him not playing as well as they’d like after a breakout season last year. Depending on how he responds and how both he and the Hurricanes do in the playoffs this year…. I wonder if they’ll be looking to trade him in the offseason? I really don’t know his value as I don’t follow the hurricanes much. He is a former high draft pick that is 23 years old and known to be a two-way center. He is signed for 6 years after this season at a cap hit of 4.8 million.

Not sure if he will even be available but, if he was, I wonder if the flames would target him? He fits the mold of a player a team acquires as part of a retool. While his contract is long, the cap hit is not crazy high if management thinks he could reach his potential as a solid two-way center. If he did, he could potentially be a Backlund replacement when he chooses to retire.

Would his acquisition cost be high? I really don’t know. Surely there would be at least a few teams interested considering what he has shown flashes of in the past. Would Vancouver’s 2024 1st round pick + B-level prospect get it done? That might favour the flames too much - he is a young NHL center even if Carolina is frustrated with him. Don’t think you could expect him to be anything more than a 2nd/3rd line center though.

Canes only gave up a late 1st+3rd to get him.

I'd do it for a 2nd or a guy like mang but not much more.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

Canes only gave up a late 1st+3rd to get him.

I'd do it for a 2nd or a guy like mang but not much more.

Kadri swap lol

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

He's really not good. His draft capital has kept him in the NHL longer than he should have been.

The Flames are rumoured to be interested in adding a young, established C to the roster. Kotkaniemi is the kind of player who might be available. He’s not a #1-2C. But you aren’t going to get one of those anyway.

[Monahammer]

I'd be happy to give Kotka a good shot here. He could definitely have a backlund like career. He's still only 23 years old. Had 43 points in the show last year. He's a year and 2 months older than Zary and we're treating him like he's got no potential upside while Zary has loads...

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by MrMike

9.3 over 8 years wow. Now he's worth a 3.9 over 8 years

I wouldn't want the Flames to give him a 5 x 5. I think he will get a 5 x 6.5 from a Columbus or a 3 x 7mil from a regular team. Or a one year 6.9 from Boston

Lindholm's season has cost him both AAV and term. He (and the teams interested) would be foolish to sign a long term contract.

I think in the grand scheme, Lindholm's cost himself $40M if not more.

He's in Duchene territory where he needs to sign a short term deal in a situation that is favorable to him to re-build his value.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I had heard from someone who heard this from Bean directly. Flames offered $8.3Mx8 and Lindholm countered at $9.3M. Flames came back at $8.6M and Lindholm came back with $9.3M. Just no budging at all from the Lindholm camp. The way Lindy talked about it was “he was willing to stay” so even when he addressed the fact he was willing to stay instead of wanting to stay and the negotiations broke off right at the beginning of the year and never picked up

If true I imagine Elias and his camp are going to feel very humbled this summer when he eventually signs on somewhere. That said he looked like a guy that just wanted to get the hell out of Calgary so maybe he won't care about the millions of dollars he left on the table.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

He's in Duchene territory where he needs to sign a short term deal in a situation that is favorable to him to re-build his value.

Pretty much. His best scenario is something like 2x 6.75 with Boston, get lots of ice time with quality wingers on a strong team. But even that might be high.