Okay, but again, the bulk of the discussion is about the nuance of wording in a PR statement in one of the biggest sexual assault cases in pro sports...maybe ever? 5 players being accused at once in any sport is a big ####ing deal. Why aren't we talking more about the events, pro sports/hockey culture, or solutions moving forward?
It's a waste of digital ink to keep discussing the Flames PR statement. I'm just hoping for a more substantive discussion of the real issues at the heart of all this.
Fair enough and I fully understand where you are coming from.
It could be argued that some interpret (rightly or wrongly), that how the flames handled the initial mental health statement is part of the cultural problem that we need to talk about.
Lots of people interpreted it as framing Dube as a victim of mental illness rather then a perpetrator of a heinous crime. Underlying this is the idea that hockey has deep founded cultural problem of downplaying and covering up these types of things. That this statement by the Flames perpetuates this toxic hockey culture by making Dube a victim and downplaying the heinous crime.
Again, I don't think the Flames did this in intentional maliciousness and it's a dead horse that's been beaten far too long at this point.
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Lots of people interpreted it as framing Dube as a victim of mental illness rather then a perpetrator of a heinous crime. Underlying this is the idea that hockey has deep founded cultural problem of downplaying and covering up these types of things. That this statement by the Flames perpetuates this toxic hockey culture by making Dube a victim and downplaying the heinous crime.
Exactly this. It's hard to give hockey clubs the benefit of the doubt.
Have we determined how a low budget team (Senators) with turmoil in ownership after their owner died was able to determine if their player was involved in this incident?
However, Calgary, Philadelphia, and New Jersey were not?
It just doesn't make sense. How did Ottawa know right away and do the right thing - however, none of these other teams cared to investigate further? The NHL and hockey continues to disappoint.
The best theory I can come up with is that Dube and Hart signed their contracts in August 2021 just before a lot of the details started to come out. It's quite possible the Flames (and Flyers) didn't know much at the time, just like the rest of the general public.
Formenton became a free agent in July 2022 when there was a lot more information available, so Ottawa had an easy out.
At that point, Dube was under contract and if the word was out within NHL circles, he would have been immoveable. Trying to cancel the contract or making the player go home, would have likely come with NHLPA protests. I would not doubt that the NHLPA was protecting them from any action. The teams were probably just really hoping it would go away or drag out long enough to cleanly walk away from the player.
The theory wouldn't hold up for New Jersey though who offered Foote and McLeod new deals very recently, albeit 1 year terms.
Maybe it's just grasping at straws.
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You’re speculating they didn’t sign him because of this and not just because of salary demands. Ottawa issued him a qualifying offer and were negotiating with him and couldn’t come to terms on a contract.
Seems more about $ than some social justice awareness by Ottawa
Yeah that's like saying the Flames knew Lucic was a wife beater and let him walk
Okay, but again, the bulk of the discussion is about the nuance of wording in a PR statement in one of the biggest sexual assault cases in pro sports...maybe ever? 5 players being accused at once in any sport is a big ####ing deal. Why aren't we talking more about the events, pro sports/hockey culture, or solutions moving forward?
It's a waste of digital ink to keep discussing the Flames PR statement. I'm just hoping for a more substantive discussion of the real issues at the heart of all this.
Not surprised by:
- all lawyers saying "my guy is innocent and we'll fight this tooth and nail" (paraphrasing)
- STUNNING SILENCE from nhl.com (you wanna criticize someone...burn them!)
- PR fumbles (all over the place and not just - potentially including - the Flames)
- the absolutely moronic comments made on social media, not, of course, including CP
- the complete lack of understanding of liability in business and employment by many
Surprised by:
- the length of time expected to trial
Disgusted with most of what I've read, both here and elsewhere.
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Can we change the title to “did the Flames do the right thing”? The whole thread seems to be focused on how it makes the flames look as an organization, Dube is an ####### and too bad for the girl, but I hope people don’t think badly of the Flames for this.
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Can photon get off his ass and get an AI algorithm that fluidly changes thread titles based on loosely agreed upon importance points all mutually voted on democratically.
I mean, at the end of the day, it's probably a combo of lawyers, comms people, and HR folks - a veritable wretched hive - that rubber stamped the original PR.
I'm all for these players just going away until their time in court, and hope the young woman is getting all the support she needs.
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I'd feel better about the Flames if they suspended Dube without pay and/or terminated his contract.
I'm sure it will come to that but the Flames would have to consult their legal team first and figure out the process, I'm guessing he's terminated before the 15th of Feb
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I would assume the Flames knew when they released the statement saying "Mental Health". If I had heard rumors that Hart and Dube were involved on Friday afternoon, then I'm sure the Flames knew. I'm not that connected to the team.
Just a ridiculous approach from the team that also impacts other players. How do Kylington and Andersson feel right now having answered questions about Dube and his mental health and saying that they hope he gets the help he needs, etc.
Just ridiculous from the Flames organization to think that was the right decision.
Yeah that's like saying the Flames knew Lucic was a wife beater and let him walk
I don’t understand this comment? They’re nothing alike
Poster is giving credit to Ottawa for not signing the player. I showed the other side where it seems like they would have signed him for the right price so not doing the right thing but salary based.
Unless you’re supporting my post? It’s not clear.
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