[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

I think we continue to push our MLAs on this issue. Continue to highlight the gap in support for these members of our society and become a squeaky wheel about it.

That's what we are doing with our Foundation locally, that provides low income housing and assisted living for seniors, low income families and people with disabilities.

Being able to have a dialogue with these MLAs, even if they aren't in your party of choice, is the best path forward now.

'We' wasted a pretty great opportunity to do that yesterday.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Muta

Source?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...rgan-1.4681911

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

What have you seen over the last 4 years to lead you to believe that any UCP MLA has enough of a spine to do that?

The UCP's creation was based on floor crossing when the Wild Rose joined the PCs. The seed is already there.

Additionally, if Smith continues what she is doing, then I think it's possible some MLAs will want to disassociate with her. Options wise, it would just be whether it be changing the leader of the UCP or floor crossing to the NDP to swap the party in power.

I'm not saying it's an inevitability. I'm saying I don't know when was the last time a political party was probably worried about such a possibility. The margins were insanely thin this election which is why such a concept is even possible at this point.

[ynwa03]

This is an outrage. People who voted for this need to be held accountable. How long before we screen ballots to make sure people are voting for the right party? When will this end? How can they not see that one party is deplorable and racist, devoid of any ideas, and against the common folk, whereas the other party is just trying to do what’s right?

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

I have an odd feeling that the UCP will constantly be worried that they may not actually make it to the end of the 4 years as the majority. Strangely enough, I do think that there could be a constant threat of floor crossing from UCP MLAs if they become disgruntled with Smith or the UCP would remove Smith as leader to avoid floor crossings. IMO NDP would have no such concern with Notley.

I wonder if this could keep Smith in line. I also wonder if it could create opportunities for NDP and UCP to work together almost as if we had elected a minority government. The next 4 years are going to be wild from a political standpoint IMO.

I think its much more likely that instead of crossing the floor, the UCP will disintegrate into 2 or 3 groups and end up in a shaky coalition. Considering the rather open "don't worry about Smith..." comments that some are saying their UCP MLAs have been telling them, we could be on the verge of a lot of drama and that could put the conservatives back to where they were 15 years ago or so.

[RoadGame]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

The UCP's creation was based on floor crossing when the Wild Rose joined the PCs. The seed is already there.

Additionally, if Smith continues what she is doing, then I think it's possible some MLAs will want to disassociate with her. Options wise, it would just be whether it be changing the leader of the UCP or floor crossing to the NDP to swap the party in power.

I'm not saying it's an inevitability. I'm saying I don't know when was the last time a political party was probably worried about such a possibility. The margins were insanely thin this election which is why such a concept is even possible at this point.

What do you think is more likely, moderate UCPers crossing to sit as independents or join the NDP, or hard core TBA types leaving to sit in their own caucus to deny Smith an outright majority on key votes unless she accedes to their demands?

As much as I was glad to see the UCP seat count drop overnight if there's no chance of an NDP win then I'd rather the majority not shrink much further to avoid having our own "Freedom Caucus" situation here.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Makarov

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/lib...rgan-1.4681911

I still effing hate Trudeau. Doesn't the Liberal party have a leadership review? or is that bypassed if they have power in government?

Danielle Smith just handed the Libs a majority gov't. 2X4 should have kept his mouth shut and not endorsed the deplorable.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

What have you seen over the last 4 years to lead you to believe that any UCP MLA has enough of a spine to do that?

Even moreso now with the trimmed down UCP MLAs it is much less likely that anyone will be standing up against Smith or policy. Previously there were at least some fairly moderate MLAs but they have all either left before the election or lost their seat. I don't know for certain but it might be plausible to say there are two moderates in the UCP now. The UCP, from the legislature perspective, is much more unified now than ever.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I follow U.S. politics closely. I’m terrified that Alberta is moving to Florida-style governance. Smith’s love for DeSantis to the point of calling him her “hero” is alarming. That’s the guy you want to emulate?

I’m embarrassed today that we elected a dingbat who is likely to take us out of the CPP and RCMP. Doctors will flee the province. Good luck if you don’t have a doctor or if your doc leaves. Education will suffer. I expect the UCP to initiate a process toward separation. I’m discouraged.

Florida chose this and are happy with it. DeSantis got over 60% of the vote which in the US is a solid landslide. And people are moving there, fast growing state in 2022, 2% increase or (+400,000 people).

You conclusion might be that these people are idiots but the facts are there.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by ynwa03

This is an outrage. People who voted for this need to be held accountable. How long before we screen ballots to make sure people are voting for the right party? When will this end? How can they not see that one party is deplorable and racist, devoid of any ideas, and against the common folk, whereas the other party is just trying to do what’s right?

Sarcasm?

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

wow, that is the exact opposite I am hearing from my friends that are paramedics

So you mean maybe there is difference of opinion between people? not surprising. The individuals I know really dislike waiting in the hospitals for hours. They rather be out working on calls. Again, im not saying this system has been improved, it has just improved for them on this aspect. If a critical patient dies at home waiting for a ambulance to respond, it is better then if a patient dies in the waiting room where there is the chance of immediate aid and a triage system? again, difference of opinion.

[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by RoadGame

What do you think is more likely, moderate UCPers crossing to sit as independents or join the NDP, or hard core TBA types leaving to sit in their own caucus to deny Smith an outright majority on key votes unless she accedes to their demands?

As much as I was glad to see the UCP seat count drop overnight if there's no chance of an NDP win then I'd rather the majority not shrink much further to avoid having our own "Freedom Caucus" situation here.

Honestly speaking? I don't know. Politics in general have seemed to be a lot different in the past decade and newer and certain things that were considered extremely rare in the past are starting to happen more and more. Anything is possible in this life.

Fair point about crossing to be independents and creating a minority government coalition. The fact that a few of you quickly brought it up as a more likely possibility... I think it kinda means we all agree this election result isn't iron clad for 4 years and we might be in store for an absolute adventure.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I think it started before that. Maybe around the time the leader of the UCP compared people who got vaccinated to Nazis? Hard to tell when it really went downhill though.

Which is weird because all of the neo nazis in Alberta definitely voted UCP. You’d think she’d want to avoid insulting her base.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Florida chose this and are happy with it. DeSantis got over 60% of the vote which in the US is a solid landslide. And people are moving there, fast growing state in 2022, 2% increase or (+400,000 people).

You conclusion might be that these people are idiots but the facts are there.

Maybe look at the type of people moving there if you can; that will likely tell more about the reality on the ground than just migration and voting statistics. It's likely a 'moths to a flame' argument here.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Douglas started the Health Care movement. But it wasn't until it was accepted by a conservative party that it got done.

Alberta is also just a different animal than even other western provinces. It's been a conservative monolith since they were elected over an even more right wing party when I was a kid. Notley is the only leader to eke out a single win.

Some of the best things that have happened in this country have happened under minority governments. The threat of losing power keeps governments honest and careful. Too bad there isn't a strong 3rd party in Alberta. At the moment anyway.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

I think its much more likely that instead of crossing the floor, the UCP will disintegrate into 2 or 3 groups and end up in a shaky coalition. Considering the rather open "don't worry about Smith..." comments that some are saying their UCP MLAs have been telling them, we could be on the verge of a lot of drama and that could put the conservatives back to where they were 15 years ago or so.

A complete reshaping of the political landscape and formation of government would be a real victory for the people of Alberta, in my opinion. Split the UCP into social conservative/fiscal conservative and center moderates. Split the NDP into center moderates and socialists/progressives/labour. With these four parties plus greens and whatever else we can be governed by coalitions that actually have to sit down together, critically evaluate policy and govern in the people's best interest.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by shotinthebacklund

So you mean maybe there is difference of opinion between people? not surprising. The individuals I know really dislike waiting in the hospitals for hours. They rather be out working on calls. Again, im not saying this system has been improved, it has just improved for them on this aspect. If a critical patient dies at home waiting for a ambulance to respond, it is better then if a patient dies in the waiting room where there is the chance of immediate aid and a triage system? again, difference of opinion.

Uhm, but they are still dead. That's the point, nothing was fixed, the problem was just pushed onto hospitals.


"Good news, we got here in time to save your life! Bad news, you are still gonna die when we drop you in this hallway with no one to check on you."


I shouldn't be surprised, but this is apparently the logic people use to vote for the UCP. And then people wonder why their intelligence is questioned.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Which is weird because all of the neo nazis in Alberta definitely voted UCP. You’d think she’d want to avoid insulting her base.

Danielle Smith: The vaccinated are akin to Nazi sympathizers.
Also Danielle Smith last night: LET'S ALL MOVE FORWARD TOGETHER, NO MORE DIVISION

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Muta

Maybe look at the type of people moving there if you can; that will likely tell more about the reality on the ground than just migration and voting statistics. It's likely a 'moths to a flame' argument here.

What do you mean type of people, people move for many different reasons. In the New York thread some are suggesting the OP move to Texas or Florida instead of New York. Do they suddenly become that type of person. Don't classify.

[ynwa03]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Sarcasm?

You tell me? Our healthcare system is under attack. We have a deplorable who doesn’t care about compassion as our Premier. Vaccine hesitancy is only going to go up. People will be lured more to the idea of freedom and brainwashed by all the negative things associated with it. All this will embolden the very real threat of white supremacy and diminish minority rights - just look at some of the replies in this thread. The uneducated and careless are in control of the destiny of our province. It is a dark day for democracy in Canada. Drastic measures need to be taken to prevent this from happening again.