Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm not going to read previous posts, but to (re)state, the NDP announced it will terminate in June, 2025.

So before the Cons/FJT people get moist, this isn't a 'walk away right now' scenario. And there's plenty of time to play the Libs like a fiddle in the meantime.

Your partisanship oozing out to cope with the news is so thick you can't even read the news right.

The party made the announcement in a video posted to social media Wednesday afternoon. The deal was scheduled to run until June 2025.

The original supply and confidence was always set to terminate in June 2025. Singh is ending it early.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Normally I'd agree, but Trudeau surely knows an election loss means he's gone from the party, and since he seems insistent on sticking around as long as possible I bet he finds a way to drag this into 2025

Not only that, but the Liberals game plan here has to be to let PP destroy himself. The further away the election is, the more chance of that happening.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its tenuous, I mean the NDP are polling extremely low, I think that tactically Singh blasting the Liberals on one hand and supporting them on the others chased away support.


And it shows in their fundraising numbers. https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cons...ties-1.6869094

If Singh had any integrity he would see the writing on the wall and resign as party leader, but he's just as self-absorbed as Trudeau is so he'll take the party down with him

[Ben_in_Canada]

The NDP have torn up their agreement with the Liberals.

Does this mean an election is coming?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Maybe don't bring in costly programs you can't afford simply to save your grip on power as good start? I'm fine with healthy immigration, but the last few years the doors are open far too wide to sustain (see endless housing, education, health care capacity strains). It's damn tough to relocate and set up in a new country, and that's if you're highly skilled with all the perks of affluence at your disposal.

What programs? OAS and healthcare are the big drains that require a growing labor force to maintain and they're not exactly new. I think OAS should be reformed, but I doubt that'll happen as long as seniors are such a big voting bloc. And people are complaining about health care services as they are now, so I doubt there are big appetites for service cuts. People just want better healthcare without actually sacrificing at all for it (whether that be through higher taxes/fees or higher immigration).

It takes years for TFWs, Refugees and even the average immigrant worker to build up to even 75% of the median income. It's not just like flipping a light switch and you've suddenly got a highly contributing tax payer filling the gaps in the system.

No it's not instant, but no one expects it to be. Just like no one expects people fresh out of university to make the average income for the profession.

Ultimately, nearly 60% of recent adult immigrants have a bachelor's degree or higher, which is about double the overall population's rate. And while their wages do lag non-immigrants of similar educational attainment by about 20%, because they're twice as likely to be highly educated there isn't really a big difference.

[pseudoreality]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm not going to read previous posts, but to (re)state, the NDP announced it will terminate in June, 2025.

So before the Cons/FJT people get moist, this isn't a 'walk away right now' scenario. And there's plenty of time to play the Libs like a fiddle in the meantime.

I don't think that is correct. The original deal was set to expire on June 2025. Singh said he's tearing it up now and not after it expires.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You sure about that? That was the original end date. Singh said he "tore it up" this morning, where do you see it will continue?

Oops, that was how I initially read it as well. I stand corrected though. He's indeed tearing it up as of today.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I'm not going to read previous posts, but to (re)state, the NDP announced it will terminate in June, 2025.

So before the Cons/FJT people get moist, this isn't a 'walk away right now' scenario. And there's plenty of time to play the Libs like a fiddle in the meantime.

Looks like you've got it all wrong. The agreement is over. It was supposed to run until June 2025 but it is over now. Singh is tearing it up.

[Ozy_Flame]

Yep, I got that wrong. Jumped the gun. I can admit that.

Still, doesn't mean an election will be called. Libs could negotiate with the Bloc and NDP on a case-by-case basis.

So it still stands - Cons shouldn't get their loincloths creamy just yet.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Looks like you've got it all wrong. The agreement is over. It was supposed to run until June 2025 but it is over now. Singh is tearing it up.

I guess he must have gotten a pretty decent Private Sector offer.

Singh: "Whats that? Good salary, my name goes on the wall and I dont have to work...yeah I'll call Justin right now!!"

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Yep, I got that wrong. Jumped the gun. I can admit that.

Still, doesn't mean an election will be called. Libs could negotiate with the Bloc and NDP on a case-by-case basis.

So it still stands - Cons shouldn't get their loincloths creamy just yet.

I doubt the Bloc is interested unless they get something huge in exchange (that they can sell as a reason to vote for them). They're likely to make big gains so the sooner the election occurs the better it is for them, just like the CPC.

The NDP are in a tough spot here. They've just announced they can't support the Liberals any more, but the only way they avoid an election is to keep supporting them. I have to think they're planning on the Liberals not calling any confidence votes for awhile and then being ready for the writ.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Yep, I got that wrong. Jumped the gun. I can admit that.

Still, doesn't mean an election will be called. Libs could negotiate with the Bloc and NDP on a case-by-case basis.

So it still stands - Cons shouldn't get their loincloths creamy just yet.

No one suggested an election is happening tomorrow.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

I guess he must have gotten a pretty decent Private Sector offer.

Singh: "Whats that? Good salary, my name goes on the wall and I dont have to work...yeah I'll call Justin right now!!"

Are you Pierre’s speach writer now?

[Ozy_Flame]

Pretty sure NDP won't vote in favor of a non-confidence. Even with no agreement they still hold a good hand. It just means they are going independent again, with looser reigns. It would be pretty foolish to ruin that power for another 12 months.

PP and the Cons are frothing for an election ASAP and will demonize anyone who obstructs that tunnel vision.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Are you Pierre’s speach writer now?

I dont want Pierre. I definitely dont want Justin. I dont want any of them.

That is a murderer's row of the dumbest, most incompetent people...

Out of those three? I wouldnt pay any of them $2 to walk my dog let alone run my country.

If they were Valets at a restaurant I'd park it myself. Not a chance I'd give any of those clowns my keys.

[CliffFletcher]

With the loss of Liberal support in the last 9 months going almost entirely to the Conservatives, the status quo clearly wasn’t benefiting the electoral fortunes of the NDP. Being associated with such an unpopular government was only hurting them at this point. They had to change it up and distance themselves from Trudeau’s government.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont want Pierre. I definitely dont want Justin. I dont want any of them.

That is a murderer's row of the dumbest, most incompetent people...

Out of those three? I wouldnt pay any of them $2 to walk my dog let alone run my country.

If they were Valets at a restaurant I'd park it myself. Not a chance I'd give any of those clowns my keys.

I was just poking fun at that being something I could easily see him saying.

I’ve found his attacks on Singh only keeping the supply and confidence deal going so he can get his pension to be a bit of a joke. Admittedly I haven’t seen any polling numbers but I’ve read nothing about Singh being likely to lose his seat if they held an election today so it just comes off as more grandstanding from a guy who doesn’t really seem to have much of a plan aside from saying he’ll get rid of a tax. A tax that consumers might not even see any actual cost relief from if the gas companies decide to just increase their prices when it’s gone.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think what really needs to happen is the government must put in safer limits on transport hours. But that means more cost increases, so I can see why they are shy on it.

This relates to the trucking thread too. We need to stop subsidizing transportation by cutting safety. This will drive up consumer prices on items that rely on transportation but that should encourage more local spending (or maybe less spending but that's another conversation).

[Locke]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

I was just poking fun at that being something I could easily see him saying.

I’ve found his attacks on Singh only keeping the supply and confidence deal going so he can get his pension to be a bit of a joke. Admittedly I haven’t seen any polling numbers but I’ve read nothing about Singh being likely to lose his seat if they held an election today so it just comes off as more grandstanding from a guy who doesn’t really seem to have much of a plan aside from saying he’ll get rid of a tax. A tax that consumers might not even see any actual cost relief from if the gas companies decide to just increase their prices when it’s gone.

Fair enough. I am unaware of the status of Singh's Pension availability, but I can understand not wanting to actually work for a living.

The sad part is, that out those Three Stooges, Singh in my opinion is the best Orator. He is actually a really good public speaker.

He just stands upon a poor platform.

Singh however is like a bad employee you can't get rid of. Him and May. They just hang around and hang around and collect paycheques for very little work but 'they support workers' so can't can them.

Singh is like the Poster-Child for 'Quiet-Quitting.'

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

Fair enough. I am unaware of the status of Singh's Pension availability, but I can understand not wanting to actually work for a living.

The sad part is, that out those Three Stooges, Singh in my opinion is the best Orator. He is actually a really good public speaker.

He just stands upon a poor platform.

Singh however is like a bad employee you can't get rid of. Him and May. They just hang around and hang around and collect paycheques for very little work but 'they support workers' so can't can them.

Singh is like the Poster-Child for 'Quiet-Quitting.'

Yeah I’ve always kinda held the opinion that even though Singh is actually a very intelligent person and probably a really good lawyer, he’s currently not a very good politician, and shouldn’t be leading a federal party.

What’s this about not being able to get rid of a bad employee? How would said employee hypothetically go about getting themselves that sort of job security? Asking for a friend.