2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Calling what would be he lowest production in over 5 years a “normal year” is a bit dumb.

Not really. The last 2 years he's finally been "the guy" on his line for the 1st time in 5 years. So no, this is likely much closer to the norm.

[Harry Lime]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Dube is going to be the next Flame traded, before all of the UFAs. Huska has zero faith in him, and played less than 10 minutes tonight. He has more value in the league than in Calgary.

[MrMike]

I have a feeling that Dube is going to be allowed to walk as an RFA and that’s just my uneducated gut feeling

[Jay Random]

I have a feeling that whatever team picks up Lindholm will be looking for him to shore them up at RW. We know he can play the position, and his scoring might take an uptick if he has less defensive responsibility to worry about. And right-shot wingers who can score are pretty scarce just now.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I have a feeling that Dube is going to be allowed to walk as an RFA and that’s just my uneducated gut feeling

Yeah, it's been too long of nothing from that player. Like, almost literally nothing.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Not really. The last 2 years he's finally been "the guy" on his line for the 1st time in 5 years. So no, this is likely much closer to the norm.

Whether he’s “the guy” or not has no bearing on whatever “the norm” is. Taking a player and putting him with two PPG players vs two 0.5 PPG players, watching his production change between those situations, and saying “one of these is the norm” doesn’t really make any sense.

If this year is the norm, so is the year he played with Tkachuk and Gaudreau.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yeah, it's been too long of nothing from that player. Like, almost literally nothing.

I wonder if the World Juniors investigation is in his head big time.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by CFO

AJ Greer should fetch a 3rd at deadline.

Would rather sign him, I love his GAF meter

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I doubt Lindholm gets anything more than 8m.

I think it’s either 7.5m x 8 or 8m x 7.

He would benefit a lot with a play driving winger. Maybe Winnipeg with Connor?

The season hes having, no way he gets 8M no matter what the term is.

On pace for 18 goals and 53 points.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

The season hes having, no way he gets 8M no matter what the term is.

On pace for 18 goals and 53 points.

These days in the NHL for a UFA, that is $7-7.5 million territory. Maybe less given the cap situation a lot of teams are in, especially contenders.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

The season hes having, no way he gets 8M no matter what the term is.

On pace for 18 goals and 53 points.

Better than Tkachuk numbers this season

and I feel that quote is a little out of context...half the posters on that particular page not here as in CP

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Whether he’s “the guy” or not has no bearing on whatever “the norm” is.

Not sure if this is sarcasm, but yes it's kind of the only thing that matters. They were trying to sign him based on his Anson Carter year, and he's obviously not the guy they were trying to sign. It would actually be "a bit dumb" to think so.

[AFireInside]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yeah, I'd say you could expect a 55-65 point, two way centre if he isn't with star, scoring forwards. A contender may look at him differently if the intent is to play him with star forwards. They may lean heavier towards his big production seasons for what they could get for 3-4 seasons, at least.

This can't true though. I've been repeatedly told that linemates don't matter and if Lindholm is truly a 9 million dollar player he should be able to put up 80 pts and make both his linemates better.

[cannon7]

I think Lindholm gets a contract similar to Kadri. $8.5M is off the table, I don't think there's a GM that does that at this point.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I think Lindholm gets a contract similar to Kadri. $8.5M is off the table, I don't think there's a GM that does that at this point.

Eh. Cap opening in the offseason and he is on a train wreck of a team. I think the only way he ends up on a 7x7 is if he wants to go to a specific team. If goes to free agency he’ll get 8 to 8.5 from someone. The only other center hitting free agency that’s similar is Stephenson but he has way less track record.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Not sure if this is sarcasm, but yes it's kind of the only thing that matters. They were trying to sign him based on his Anson Carter year, and he's obviously not the guy they were trying to sign. It would actually be "a bit dumb" to think so.

No, it doesn’t, not when you’re determining what’s “normal.” If you put him with top players, he’s shown he’ll outperform what we’re seeing this year. So that’s just as “normal” as a year where he’s playing with two middle-six forwards and he’s just as much that player as he is this player.

He can be both that guy, and this guy, because it’s the same player and it doesn’t take much hockey insight to realize that guys have good years and bad years and a lot of that can depend on the situation they’re in. If a guy has good years in good situations, it doesn’t mean he’s “not that guy,” it just means he can rise to the occasion and “belong” with top players when given the opportunity. I know that doesn’t jive with your overly simplistic take you mistook for something insightful, but you’ll get over it.

[Badgers Nose]

I think the negativity regard trade values is just people dampening expectations so as to not be disappointed.

But even the poor returns for Iggy, Bouw and Regher didn’t really hurt the rebuild too much last time and I think Conroy is going to be much better than Feaster and BT were.

Merry Christmas everyone, nothing is going to happen on the trade front until after the holidays.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

You know what, you’ve opened my eyes. I once was blind and now I see. Every move any GM makes is the best move that could possibly have been made because of course no GM takes a worse return than what the market dictates. Why do these guys ever get fired? They’re all just playing at the whims of the market after all.

The sarcastic rant is always such a welcome addition to a civilized conversation.

GMs deal in a market. Within that market they make decisions. Sometimes they make the best decision available in a weak market. Sometimes they completely mess up and take a less package because they (and their management team) over value a prospect or a returning player.

Draft picks are on the scouting team.

But to deem a GM as getting fleeced you need one of two things in my mind.

1) Knowledge of other options or paths not taken
2) Recent comparables that suggest what the market was at the time.

The Toffoli trade didn't afford us #1, but we certainly got a good dose of #2 with no first rounders traded at the draft and serviceable players given away for cap space.

The Lindholm and Hanifin trades will exist in and around a trade deadline with other comparables.

If he deals both for 2nd rounders when comparable players go for 1st rounders you'll have a point! He was wrong by either confusing the value of a 2nd vs a 1st or more seriously tried to out wait a market and missed the opportunity because those assets went somewhere else.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Better than Tkachuk numbers this season

and I feel that quote is a little out of context...half the posters on that particular page not here as in CP

What does Tkachuk's production this season have to do with Lindholms next contract? Or was this just another random jab at your obsession Tkachuk?

Wouldnt Tkachuk's production the season before he got his contract be more relevant?

and what quote is out of context?

[Bluzman]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I have a feeling that Dube is going to be allowed to walk as an RFA and that’s just my uneducated gut feeling

With the difficulty of making deals today and the number of UFAs/under-performers that should be dealt I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the UFAs falls through the cracks and walks for free