2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

All I’m testing is Jiri’s apparent assumption that Conroy can be completely absolved if the return is crap, because he has no control over the market.

If that were true then let a monkey handle the negotiations. Let Jay Feaster handle the negotiations. After all, the GM can’t control the market, right? Fans would be idiots for thinking he took a worse return on purpose for Iggy and Bouw than what the market dictated, right? We should look back on him with reverence.

If you go back to my post and what I was responding to you’ll see that’s clearly not what I said.
Difference between a crap return and a return below what are unreasonable expectations
As for Feaster, it was hard to get a better return when 12 would only go to two teams…and then one
Bouwmeester was an error because he had a year remaining and didn’t need to be dealt for a poor return right then

[Jiri Hrdina]

To be clear nowhere did I say “completely absolved for a crap return”
If you are going to debate someone use their actual words not your inaccurate spin of them

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

All I’m testing is Jiri’s apparent assumption that Conroy can be completely absolved if the return is crap, because he has no control over the market.

If that were true then let a monkey handle the negotiations. Let Jay Feaster handle the negotiations. After all, the GM can’t control the market, right? Fans would be idiots for thinking he took a worse return on purpose for Iggy and Bouw than what the market dictated, right? We should look back on him with reverence.

Iginla could only be traded to one team. Are you suggesting that the pens gave the Flames a better offer and Feaster insisted on receiving less? I would think that fans who think that is what happened are idiots.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

They are 20th out of 32 teams in goals per game. He may just be a low scoring player because the team is middle of the pack in terms of goals per game.

Exactly my point.

[mrdonkey]

You know what, you’ve opened my eyes. I once was blind and now I see. Every move any GM makes is the best move that could possibly have been made because of course no GM takes a worse return than what the market dictates. Why do these guys ever get fired? They’re all just playing at the whims of the market after all.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Since his two golden eggs left Lindholm has 29g-54a in 110 games plus wants $9m a year, simply put he has not performed and his GAF meter is at an all time low, I'm not sure why it’s on Conroy.

Sure. And that is because the players he is currently playing with, aren't as productive. He has proven that he can put up points when playing with other good players. Are you suggesting that he no longer can?

There is more to assessing a player than looking at recent stats.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by Sandman

He’s third in scoring with 19 points in 30 games. That’s indicative of a low-scoring team (currently 21st in GF).

Or much more likely: we're just seeing a normal year from him, and those rumored contract numbers were absolutely insane.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Redrum

Or much more likely: we're just seeing a normal year from him, and those rumored contract numbers were absolutely insane.

This is the correct answer. Lindholm is a career 56 point player currently on pace for 52 points.

[PepsiFree]

Calling what would be he lowest production in over 5 years a “normal year” is a bit dumb.

[Monahammer]

I wonder if the avs would be interested in Lindholm and Markstrom?

Something like Girard, Ritchie, 1st?

[Ped]

At this point Markstrom hardly appears an upgrade on Georgiev

[Nelson]

It’s a bit difficult to determine what normal Lindholm is because of the outlier seasons when Lindholm was playing on extremely productive lines, or when he was just starting out on the other hand. In his NHL career, he’s scored 56 points per 82 games. That’s probably not far off from what you’d expect from him when his environment is not boosting him or diminishing him overly. Also, he’s now 29 and heading towards 30, so his normal may start trending downwards.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Nelson

It’s a bit difficult to determine what normal Lindholm is because of the outlier seasons when Lindholm was playing on extremely productive lines, or when he was just starting out on the other hand. In his NHL career, he’s scored 56 points per 82 games. That’s probably not far off from what you’d expect from him when his environment is not boosting him or diminishing him overly. Also, he’s now 29 and heading towards 30, so his normal may start trending downwards.

Yeah, I'd say you could expect a 55-65 point, two way centre if he isn't with star, scoring forwards. A contender may look at him differently if the intent is to play him with star forwards. They may lean heavier towards his big production seasons for what they could get for 3-4 seasons, at least.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Nelson

It’s a bit difficult to determine what normal Lindholm is because of the outlier seasons when Lindholm was playing on extremely productive lines, or when he was just starting out on the other hand. In his NHL career, he’s scored 56 points per 82 games. That’s probably not far off from what you’d expect from him when his environment is not boosting him or diminishing him overly. Also, he’s now 29 and heading towards 30, so his normal may start trending downwards.

I don’t know. He was part of those extremely productive lines just as much as anyone else was.

Sean Monahan has the same career high in points.
Gaudreau’s best two seasons came playing with Lindholm.
Tkachuk’s second best season came playing with Lindholm.
All four guys are just about on the same point pace this season.

Every environment can boost or diminish what you expect from a player, but what team is going to acquire him thinking his production is going to be diminished in the situation they’re bringing him into?

If teams are looking at what an “average” would be, it’s probably closer to the 70 point range.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t know. He was part of those extremely productive lines just as much as anyone else was.

Sean Monahan has the same career high in points.
Gaudreau’s best two seasons came playing with Lindholm.
Tkachuk’s second best season came playing with Lindholm.
All four guys are just about on the same point pace this season.

Every environment can boost or diminish what you expect from a player, but what team is going to acquire him thinking his production is going to be diminished in the situation they’re bringing him into?

If teams are looking at what an “average” would be, it’s probably closer to the 70 point range.

Yet he's asking for upper echelon money, he's smoking something awesome if he thinks he's getting a better offer than 8+. Conroy should be jumping for joy that was turned down.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t know. He was part of those extremely productive lines just as much as anyone else was.

Sean Monahan has the same career high in points.
Gaudreau’s best two seasons came playing with Lindholm.
Tkachuk’s second best season came playing with Lindholm.
All four guys are just about on the same point pace this season.

Every environment can boost or diminish what you expect from a player, but what team is going to acquire him thinking his production is going to be diminished in the situation they’re bringing him into?

If teams are looking at what an “average” would be, it’s probably closer to the 70 point range.

70 feels high to me. But I’m not smart enough to isolate all the variables to figure out what normal Lindholm is. You could be right.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Nelson

70 feels high to me. But I’m not smart enough to isolate all the variables to figure out what normal Lindholm is. You could be right.

Yeah, 70 could be hit again, but I wouldn't be betting on it. And the other MAJOR factor for a team that wants to trade for him and extend is that the knowledge is out there that he has rejected $8.5AAV x 8 years.

Teams know what his contract idea is, and and kinda looks checked out this season. There's a lot working against a good trade return, but I still think it will be decent. Likely below what a lot of fans are expecting, though.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Yeah, 70 could be hit again, but I wouldn't be betting on it. And the other MAJOR factor for a team that wants to trade for him and extend is that the knowledge is out there that he has rejected $8.5AAV x 8 years.

Teams know what his contract idea is, and and kinda looks checked out this season. There's a lot working against a good trade return, but I still think it will be decent. Likely below what a lot of fans are expecting, though.

As they said on Barn Burner the other day, he’s driving down the road, throwing bags of money out the window.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I doubt Lindholm gets anything more than 8m.

I think it’s either 7.5m x 8 or 8m x 7.

He would benefit a lot with a play driving winger. Maybe Winnipeg with Connor?

[CFO]

AJ Greer should fetch a 3rd at deadline.