[News] Feaster and Weisbrod relieved of duties. Burke will hire a new GM

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yes, the Jankowski pick at present doesn't look great, but it is also pretty early to be making these sorts of assessments. He may not pan out, and if he doesn't, that will most definitely reflect poorly on Feaster and his staff, but let's not pretend that this is the result of some imaginary, untoward notion that he thought he was "smarter than everyone".

yeah, but Jay brings that on himself too, with that kind of attitude when he trumpets a kid that only played in Canadian High School hockey as the "best pick in this draft" in five years.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

The window had slammed shut on Iginla winning the Cup in Calgary by the time we were routed by Chicago. There was no way that any sane manager could have said, "you know what, we're only a piece short of what Chicago has to beat them to come out of the Western Conference."

Should we have started the rebuild then? Probably we should have been seeding the idea of trading Iginla (which most of the national press was doing for us anyway)

Disagree there.

The Flames team that lost to Chicago could have done some damage in the playoffs if healthy. That was the Flames best team post lockout by far.

What should have happened that offseason was they should not have overreacted and threw the balance of the team off by getting rid of all our secondary scoring to bring in another big ticket d-man.

If the re-build was going to start early, it should have started the next season after they missed the playoffs for the first time.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

yeah, but Jay brings that on himself too, with that kind of attitude when he trumpets a kid that only played in Canadian High School hockey as the "best pick in this draft" in five years.

Either you like the pick or you don't. It should have nothing whatsoever to do with your perception of Feaster's "attitude", or what you think he believes, so give it a rest.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Either you like the pick or you don't. It should have nothing whatsoever to do with your perception of Feaster's "attitude", or what you think he believes, so give it a rest.

"give it a rest?"

um... ok... I don't think i've posted since page 37 ish. but i'll "give it a rest"

gotta watch "the two best goalies not in the NHL" afterall...

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I think Don Meehan is a smart enough hockey man to properly assess the state of the Flames a few years ago. There wasn't anyone knowledgeable in the NHL who thought the Flames were trending anything but down.

There were plenty of discussions on this board, from people around the NHL and pundits who thought the Flames should have been sellers after Sutter had been fired and Feaster was given the interim tag.

This discussion has been going on for an extended period of time.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

There were plenty of discussions on this board, from people around the NHL and pundits who thought the Flames should have been sellers after Sutter had been fired and Feaster was given the interim tag.

This discussion has been going on for an extended period of time.

I don't know if you're attempting to add or disagreeing, but I think Cliff is saying you'd have to be a dolt not to see what intelligent hockey people around the league saw. Meehan, of course, is no dolt, and did or should have seen the writing on the wall as well.

Here's the rub though; would Iginla give up that amount of input and control that the organization afforded him in order to play in a more competitive situation somewhere else? It doesn't appear so.

You can't buy that kind of job security and Meehan probably knew this and intimated as much to his client.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't know if you're attempting to add or disagreeing, but I think Cliff is saying you'd have to be a dolt not to see what intelligent hockey people around the league saw. Meehan, of course, is no dolt, and did or should have seen the writing on the wall as well.

Here's the rub though; would Iginla give up that amount of input and control that the organization afforded him in order to play in a more competitive situation somewhere else? It doesn't appear so.

You can't buy that kind of job security and Meehan probably knew this and intimated as much to his client.

Misread the assertion.

IMO I think if Tanguay hadn't been re-signed, I think the writing could have been made very clear.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by cKy

Kaberle?

Now that was a gong show years in the making that amounted to not much in the end.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

One of management's most critical errors was to involve Iginla in the decision making process to the extent that they did. And I distinctly remember several instances over the past several years in which Iginla was insistent about the competitive level of the team. The miscalculation about the team's fortunes was not that of management alone, but in large part a product of management pandering to their star player, creating something like an echo chamber in which they parroted one another's beliefs about a bright future.

Agreed with you there - seems like its far too easy to influence Feaster which direction to go. First its Len Barrie and Oren Koules putting him into a difficult situation, then its Ken King and Murray Edwards putting him into a difficult situation, then its Darryl Sutter putting him into a difficult position, now its Jarome Iginla and Don Meehan putting him into a difficult situation?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I am so tired of this sentiment because it is a duplicitous indictment. We taunt the Oilers and their fans for following the status quo, and drafting based on the latest write-ups in The Hockey News. We laud teams and scouts for their shrewdness when they draft players who produce ahead of their draft ranking. What is the difference between "feeling that we're smarter than everyone" and "trusting our instincts"? Your charge is equally applied to every scout for every team in the entire NHL. Why? Because they need strength of conviction and a confidence in their instincts to be successful at what they do.

Yes, the Jankowski pick at present doesn't look great, but it is also pretty early to be making these sorts of assessments. He may not pan out, and if he doesn't, that will most definitely reflect poorly on Feaster and his staff, but let's not pretend that this is the result of some imaginary, untoward notion that he thought he was "smarter than everyone".

I think this talk comes up from the media spillout of Feaster's firing (FAN 960, SNET, etc) that talk around the league is that... I'm a little curious to see why Feaster has that reputation as well.

[Erick Estrada]

mn - me not reading a clear sentence.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Oh really? I'm pretty sure many of us felt the Flames had been trending down for years before last season. I get ripped on for not bowing to the royalty that is Jarome Iginla but nobody can say that I and some others weren't on "the time to trade Iginla" bandwagon years before last season. It was plainly obvious what was going on with this franchise. I'm pretty sure I'm not smarter than "knowledgeable people in the NHL" so I'm willing to wager a lot of people around the league saw that the Flames were in fact trending down because many of us could see it.

I think you mis-read what he was saying.
Admittedly he worded it in a really complicated way - but I think he's saying that most people felt the Flames were trending down.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I think you mis-read what he was saying.
Admittedly he worded it in a really complicated way - but I think he's saying that most people felt the Flames were trending down.

My mistake I it's pretty clear now that I actually frikkin READ the post and not glance. I retract my post.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Agreed with you there - seems like its far too easy to influence Feaster which direction to go...

I'm not actually talking about Feaster. At least, not exclusively so. Flames ownership, Ken King, and Sutter were far, far too accommodating of Jarome, and his ideas with regards to player acquisitions, and I suspect also coaching personnel.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

Judging by Brian Burkes haircut, he has no idea what optics even are.

I don't think Burke utters a sentence in front of the camera that hasn't been prepared and rehearsed beforehand. The bluff, loose tie, shoot-from-the-hip persona is just part of his shtick.

It's a lot of fun to watch. But it's all calculated for effect.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I'm not actually talking about Feaster. At least, not exclusively so. Flames ownership, Ken King, and Sutter were far, far too accommodating of Jarome, and his ideas with regards to player acquisitions, and I suspect also coaching personnel.

That I agree with, and Feaster really should have put a stop to it. I think Feaster - more then Darryl - got cozy with Iginla and made the Flames "Iginla and friends" - I like Iginla and everything, but don't let him run your team. Since we became the "Iginla and friends" team things just went down hill from there.

[sureLoss]

McKenzie on insider trading:

• while Flames have gotten permission to talk to Nieuwendyk, they haven't talked to him yet
• according to McKenzie haven't asked for permission to talk to anyone else
• may wait till the end of the season if the person they want isn't available
• Buffalo's time frame is to hire someone in January.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

McKenzie on insider trading:

• while Flames have gotten permission to talk to Nieuwendyk, they haven't talked to him yet
• according to McKenzie haven't asked for permission to talk to anyone else
• may wait till the end of the season if the person they want isn't available
• Buffalo's time frame is to hire someone in January.

Point #3 might indicate Futa?

[sureLoss]

John Shannon says Futa will be giving an interview with the sabres soon

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

John Shannon says Futa will be giving an interview with the sabres

I thought LA said no?