2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I don't think it makes sense to limit the scope to such few goaltenders, but let's look at it. 17th out of 28 on low danger chances? That's below average. And there is survivorship bias with these people who keep getting chance after chance, likely because of their contract situations. There are goaltenders not on the list who would have done better.

I can't figure out the medium danger chances either but the Flames have been giving up a lot of those, at least this year. They've been average at limiting high and low danger chances.

It wasn't out of 28 that was his rank in overall save percentage.

61 goalies have played over 2500 minutes the last three years. So really that covers most starters and backups.

So 8th and 17th would be on the really strong end of both High Danger and Low Danger respectively.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

The thing with Markstrom is there are underlying stats that will make teams think he can bounce back.

Overall his .907 save percentage over the last three seasons ranks 28th among goalies that have played 2500 minutes or more...that's not earth shattering but it's still an improvement for some teams.

Now do this season and last season. How much worse?

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

There are 9 goalies older than Markstrom. Out of those goalies, over half are still doing quite well. Talbot(Age - 35, sv% .927), Quick(37, .922), Varlamov(35, .922), Bobrovsky(34, .911), and Reimer(35, .911).

Teams I see being interested in Markstrom with a $3M x 3 price tag, that would be willing to give up picks and prospects for a quick fix: EDM, NJD, CAR.

Teams that might bet tempted if the price is right: SEA, OTT(If we take back Forsberg), LAK(insurance/replacement for Talbot).

I counted 8, in addition to yours, Andersen, Raanta, and Fleury. If Edmonton, New Jersey, or Carolina wants him, great.

If we take back Forsberg from Ottawa since apparently Markstrom has positive value, we will be expecting something of value in return.

And of course Markstrom has to actually want to go to all these places...sigh.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If you can be the team that has a consistent pipeline of Rittich like guys to cycle through. I don’t think that supply is there or else teams would be doing it.

Yeah exactly, why stop at goalies?

Let's do this for #1 centres and 1st pair defense too. All we have to do is find all the gems other GMs miss, pay them little for their productive years and then correctly guess when they will fall off a cliff before dropping them, or even better selling them on for maximum value!

Think of the money we could save!

Good thing we have a few boat anchor contract to get us to the salary floor.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by butterfly

If this is true, you have a good point. MoneyPuck has the Flames allowing the 12th fewest high danger shots against, 27th fewest medium danger shots against, and 15th fewest low danger shots against. They're average on high/low and pretty bad at medium, which an average goalie shouldn't have an inordinate problem with.

They're 21st at giveaways. 1 more than Washington and 1 fewer than Winnipeg. It just doesn't seem to explain the mediocre goaltending.

This totally defies the eye test for me, but if true then that's interesting. It's honestly hard to believe they're just middle of the pack on high and low.

The fact that all three goalies seem to have similar difficulties playing behind this team was telling me a lot of it is falling on the team, but is it possible we've just had a stream of mediocre goaltending and we're playing up guys because of accolades who simply haven't been up to snuff (team play aside)?

It's hard to say. A lot of goals against I come away thinking "no goalie would've stopped that, can't really blame him"

But a lot of games come with one of those soft ones in between the near-impossible ones and maybe our guys aren't stopping those enough.

Wolf still needs more looks to make any kind of assessment on but I didn't hate his game in Vegas even with the GA.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by butterfly

I counted 8, in addition to yours, Andersen, Raanta, and Fleury. If Edmonton, New Jersey, or Carolina wants him, great.

If we take back Forsberg from Ottawa since apparently Markstrom has positive value, we will be expecting something of value in return.

And of course Markstrom has to actually want to go to all these places...sigh.

Martin Jones is 3 weeks older than Markstrom I'll have you know

He suited up for 2 games for the Leafs last week, though admittedly he started the year in the AHL. That reminds me - the Leafs could also be a destination if Woll(week to week) is out long term.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by butterfly

So constantly recruit them. Goaltending has so much randomness in it that it's pointless to spend money on it.

Rittich is only out of the league because the Kings spent next to nothing on goaltending as I am advocating for and two of the three led them to the best GA in the league.

The Kings are relying on an NHL vet that signed a cheap deal this year and traded for another NHL vet last year at the deadline because they didn’t trust Copley. That isn’t the save as finding random guys from other leagues.

You can’t consistently recruit what doesn’t exist. Professional hockey is a small industry and there aren’t many hidden gems sitting undiscovered in other leagues. Rittich is a short lived exception until proven out otherwise.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

This totally defies the eye test for me, but if true then that's interesting. It's honestly hard to believe they're just middle of the pack on high and low.

The fact that all three goalies seem to have similar difficulties playing behind this team was telling me a lot of it is falling on the team, but is it possible we've just had a stream of mediocre goaltending and we're playing up guys because of accolades who simply haven't been up to snuff (team play aside)?

It's hard to say. A lot of goals against I come away thinking "no goalie would've stopped that, can't really blame him"

But a lot of games come with one of those soft ones in between the near-impossible ones and maybe our guys aren't stopping those enough.

Wolf still needs more looks to make any kind of assessment on but I didn't hate his game in Vegas even with the GA.

The most interesting stat was that the Flames had the second most goals against 15 seconds after a giveaway in the league. I think they were second to Chicago or Washington. That tells me their breakdowns tend to be especially bad which jives with the eye test when you watch them.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The Kings are relying on an NHL vet that signed a cheap deal this year and traded for another NHL vet last year at the deadline because they didn’t trust Copley. That isn’t the save as finding random guys from other leagues.

You can’t consistently recruit what doesn’t exist. Professional hockey is a small industry and there aren’t many hidden gems sitting undiscovered in other leagues. Rittich is a short lived exception until proven out otherwise.

Well, now they do trust Copley who has similar stats as the "NHL vet" who is making $4M.

And I seem to remember the first "NHL vet" in a Flames uniform. Wonder if we could have used that goalie for 1x$1M.

I think teams will eventually figure out this inefficiency.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Martin Jones is 3 weeks older than Markstrom I'll have you know

He suited up for 2 games for the Leafs last week, though admittedly he started the year in the AHL. That reminds me - the Leafs could also be a destination if Woll(week to week) is out long term.

Ah, yeah. I had the minimum GP set to 6 because Louis Domingue was destroying all my credibility.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by butterfly

Well, now they do trust Copley who has similar stats as the "NHL vet" who is making $4M.

And I seem to remember the first "NHL vet" in a Flames uniform. Wonder if we could have used that goalie for 1x$1M.

I think teams will eventually figure out this inefficiency.

No they don’t. That’s why they signed Talbot and he has been their starter. The Kings scouted the Flames specifically to look at Markstrom. Copley has a .870 sv pct on a better team. Markstrom is .896% on a bottom team.

[Toonage]

Leafs sitting Knies tonight and the Flames sent Tanev home. Interesting.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Leafs sitting Knies tonight and the Flames sent Tanev home. Interesting.

The trade is 1 for 1.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Leafs sitting Knies tonight and the Flames sent Tanev home. Interesting.

lol make it happen Conroy

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The trade is 1 for 1.

Has to happen now to make sense.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Talbot has a .921 career sv% in the playoffs

Not sure why LA would be too desperate to bring in a guy with a higher price tag, less playoff experience, and worse numbers

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Talbot has a .921 career sv% in the playoffs

Not sure why LA would be too desperate to bring in a guy with a higher price tag, less playoff experience, and worse numbers

They won't.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Talbot has a .921 career sv% in the playoffs

Not sure why LA would be too desperate to bring in a guy with a higher price tag, less playoff experience, and worse numbers

They didn’t scout Markstrom for ####s and giggles. I don’t really see how a trade would work without a lot of retention but it isn’t to replace Talbot, it’s to give them insurance in case he goes down or they are worried Talbot doesn’t re-sign and they want stability. Copley isn’t a goaltender you want to be riding into the playoffs with.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They didn’t scout Markstrom for ####s and giggles. I don’t really see how a trade would work without a lot of retention but it isn’t to replace Talbot, it’s to give them insurance in case he goes down or they are worried Talbot doesn’t re-sign and they want stability. Copley isn’t a goaltender you want to be riding into the playoffs with.

A 1st rounder is worth about $6M. And you get a free year of Sean Monahan with that.

So...retaining $7.5M on Markstrom, we should get Clarke.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Gtfo with this hot take. Disingenuous position.

that's not what a hot take is, but a solid contribution to the conversation from you, as per usual