2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so his line mates carried him?

No team is winning the cup with Ferland as their top RWer...sorry

If they Flames want to contend they need to upgrade on the right side and at center

I would imagine to some degree yes, he was carried by his line mates. I was just noting that his "four months off" happened at the same time as Monahan's injuries started so there may be at least some cause/effect.

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

But that happens. Need depth to ride out the injuries that are bound to happen throughout the season.

Yes, and yes.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Honest question, is there a stat for the amount of blocked shots our team as a whole, or just our forwards had all of last year? Winning teams block a crap load of shots and i feel like our forwarda last year were horrendous at that

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so his line mates carried him?

No team is winning the cup with Ferland as their top RWer...sorry

If they Flames want to contend they need to upgrade on the right side and at center

Ferland > Tom Wilson
Washington is 1 win away from the cup.

And why does it even matter that Ferland is being carried? Bottom line is that he's producing. 20/20 power forwards don't grow on trees. Ferland is far from the problem.

It's as if some of you guys still don't understand how teams win in todays NHL. Depth, not high end talent, trumps everything else. Look at the Caps and Vegas this year. Every year the Caps used to go and get big names at the deadline only to be ousted in round 2. Watching them this year, obviously their big guns are playing well, but guys like Eller, DSP, Beagle, Wilson, Vrana, Djoos and Kempney are the ones who have really impressed me. Ditto with Vegas.

Do the Flames need a top6 C or RW? Absolutely. But probably more important than that is we need an extremely high quality bottom6.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Ferland > Tom Wilson
Washington is 1 win away from the cup.

And why does it even matter that Ferland is being carried? Bottom line is that he's producing. 20/20 power forwards don't grow on trees. Ferland is far from the problem.

It's as if some of you guys still don't understand how teams win in todays NHL. Depth, not high end talent, trumps everything else. Look at the Caps and Vegas this year. Every year the Caps used to go and get big names at the deadline only to be ousted in round 2. Watching them this year, obviously their big guns are playing well, but guys like Eller, DSP, Beagle, Wilson, Vrana, Djoos and Kempney are the ones who have really impressed me. Ditto with Vegas.

Do the Flames need a top6 C or RW? Absolutely. But probably more important than that is we need an extremely high quality bottom6.

In what world is ferland better than tom wilson lol wow

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

In what world is ferland better than tom wilson lol wow

I don't agree, but whatever, that's not the point.
The point is a career high 14goal scorer is the #1RW on a team one win away from the cup.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

In what world is ferland better than tom wilson lol wow

In this one. The real one.

Wilson has 391 NHL games under his belt, and has 104 points.

Ferland has 250 NHL games played, and has 89 points.

Ferland played 15:01 per game in 17/18 and put up 41 points, Wilson played 15:59 per game and put up 35 points - Ferly played 1 less game than Wilson. Ferland had a CF% of 52.1, Wilson had a CF% of 50.4. Wilson had an oSZ% of 59.2 compared to Ferland's 56.2.

Wilson took 187 PIMs this year to Ferland's 24...I don't think this is a stat to be proud of in the modern NHL.

Wilson's linemates:
40.9 BACKSTROM,NICKLAS - OVECHKIN,ALEX - WILSON,TOM
21.3 KUZNETSOV,EVGENY - OVECHKIN,ALEX - WILSON,TOM
6.1 KUZNETSOV,EVGENY - VRANA,JAKUB - WILSON,TOM

Ferly's:
71.1 FERLAND,MICHEAL - GAUDREAU,JOHNNY - MONAHAN,SEAN
2.9 FERLAND,MICHEAL - JANKOWSKI,MARK - STEWART,CHRIS
2.7 FERLAND,MICHEAL - LAZAR,CURTIS - SHORE,NICK

Explain to me how Wilson is the better NHL player.

[gamesaver]

Originally Posted by yourbestfriend

Ferland > Tom Wilson
Washington is 1 win away from the cup.

And why does it even matter that Ferland is being carried? Bottom line is that he's producing. 20/20 power forwards don't grow on trees. Ferland is far from the problem.

It's as if some of you guys still don't understand how teams win in todays NHL. Depth, not high end talent, trumps everything else. Look at the Caps and Vegas this year. Every year the Caps used to go and get big names at the deadline only to be ousted in round 2. Watching them this year, obviously their big guns are playing well, but guys like Eller, DSP, Beagle, Wilson, Vrana, Djoos and Kempney are the ones who have really impressed me. Ditto with Vegas.

Do the Flames need a top6 C or RW? Absolutely. But probably more important than that is we need an extremely high quality bottom6.

While I agree with depth being the most important thing, I think its good to mention character.. Being able to overcome adversities as bad puck luck, injuries, terrible calls, individual blunders, criticism... I think flames are really weak and fragile team at the moment in terms of character. Looking at the roster this should have never been an issue, but it was, and we have to adress that if we want to make a cut in 2019.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

In this one. The real one.

Wilson has 391 NHL games under his belt, and has 104 points.

Ferland has 250 NHL games played, and has 89 points.

Ferland played 15:01 per game in 17/18 and put up 41 points, Wilson played 15:59 per game and put up 35 points - Ferly played 1 less game than Wilson. Ferland had a CF% of 52.1, Wilson had a CF% of 50.4. Wilson had an oSZ% of 59.2 compared to Ferland's 56.2.

Wilson took 187 PIMs this year to Ferland's 24...I don't think this is a stat to be proud of in the modern NHL.

Wilson's linemates:
40.9 BACKSTROM,NICKLAS - OVECHKIN,ALEX - WILSON,TOM
21.3 KUZNETSOV,EVGENY - OVECHKIN,ALEX - WILSON,TOM
6.1 KUZNETSOV,EVGENY - VRANA,JAKUB - WILSON,TOM

Ferly's:
71.1 FERLAND,MICHEAL - GAUDREAU,JOHNNY - MONAHAN,SEAN
2.9 FERLAND,MICHEAL - JANKOWSKI,MARK - STEWART,CHRIS
2.7 FERLAND,MICHEAL - LAZAR,CURTIS - SHORE,NICK

Explain to me how Wilson is the better NHL player.

Tom Wilson has only played about 40 games on the top line and zero PP time though. before this year he was stuck on the bottom 2 lines, I think they're fairly close in skill but while Wilson goes too far sometimes he's far more intimating and will destroy anyone who messes with the top players.

It bugs the hell out of me that Ferland doesn't play with the same edge he had in junior, He backed away from Maroon, Lucic and Nurse early last year and sure enough they started running rough shot all over us in those games. I was steamed! He had two fights last year against little canary's..big whoop.

If he wants to stay on the top line he needs to play more like Wilson but without the dirty stuff that gets suspensions

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Tom Wilson has only played about 40 games on the top line and zero PP time though. before this year he was stuck on the bottom 2 lines, I think they're fairly close in skill but while Wilson goes too far sometimes he's far more intimating and will destroy anyone who messes with the top players.

It bugs the hell out of me that Ferland doesn't play with the same edge he had in junior, He backed away from Maroon, Lucic and Nurse early last year and sure enough they started running rough shot all over us in those games. I was steamed! He had two fights last year against little canary's..big whoop.

If he wants to stay on the top line he needs to play more like Wilson but without the dirty stuff that gets suspensions

Ferly is pound for pound one of the toughest in the NHL. He is no big tough contender to take on a guy like Lucic. He took on Bieksa twice who is one tough SOB. So if Ferly is traded who will step up?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Tom Wilson has only played about 40 games on the top line and zero PP time though. before this year he was stuck on the bottom 2 lines, I think they're fairly close in skill but while Wilson goes too far sometimes he's far more intimating and will destroy anyone who messes with the top players.

It bugs the hell out of me that Ferland doesn't play with the same edge he had in junior, He backed away from Maroon, Lucic and Nurse early last year and sure enough they started running rough shot all over us in those games. I was steamed! He had two fights last year against little canary's..big whoop.

If he wants to stay on the top line he needs to play more like Wilson but without the dirty stuff that gets suspensions

Ferland has had a couple concussions, one really serious. Any fight he's in carries a lot of risk for permanent brain damage. I don't mind if he doesn't care to fight as much. Let Brouwer or Hathaway do that.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by dino7c

so his line mates carried him?

No team is winning the cup with Ferland as their top RWer...sorry

You know the top RW on a team doesn't have to play on the top line, right?

Spoiler!

Who's the top RW on the Penguins, and which line does he play on?

How would you rank the LW on the Lightning, and which one plays on the first line?

[Vinny01]

Lots of talk Hoffman is getting dealt in Ottawa. Fast goal scoring winger that has been linked to Calgary in the past.

Hoffman+3rd for Brodie?

If the Sens want to clear cap space what about Ferland+Gillies for Hoffman?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Lots of talk Hoffman is getting dealt in Ottawa. Fast goal scoring winger that has been linked to Calgary in the past.

Hoffman+3rd for Brodie?

If the Sens want to clear cap space what about Ferland+Gillies for Hoffman?

The 2nd proposal is pointless IMO.

First, we don't have a clear succession plan for Smith who is 36 and on the final year of his deal. We need to keep all the young goalies we have until one emerges.

Second, Ferland had 21 goals last season, while Hoffman had 22. Now obviously Hoffman is better than Ferland overall, but to trade one for the other isn't enough of an improvement for the overall offense to make it worth doing.

[moncton golden flames]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You think Toews would centre the shutdown line over Bergeron? Not a chance.

bergeron will play with crosby and marchand, not the centre the checking line.

[Monahammer]

The goalie issue doesn't get talked about enough. Smith is good but hot/cold and neither of the other two looked so hot when given the reins. Do we have the assets to go for Grubauer?

[Husky]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The 2nd proposal is pointless IMO.

First, we don't have a clear succession plan for Smith who is 36 and on the final year of his deal. We need to keep all the young goalies we have until one emerges.

Second, Ferland had 21 goals last season, while Hoffman had 22. Now obviously Hoffman is better than Ferland overall, but to trade one for the other isn't enough of an improvement for the overall offense to make it worth doing.

Hoffman would be an excellent addition. Sniper with speed. Would allow for line options, but bare minimum scoring depth. If Jankowski could take another step would be great.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland (line produces when they are all healthy)
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Hoffman (balanced scoring)
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik (pushed B & F down to the third line and gives Bennett solid linemates).

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The goalie issue doesn't get talked about enough. Smith is good but hot/cold and neither of the other two looked so hot when given the reins. Do we have the assets to go for Grubauer?

Smith was not so “hot/cold” as he was excellent on the road, and bad at the Dome. Figure out how to stop pucks at home and that will solve a lot of problems for the Flames this season.

Otherwise, I am fine with another year for one of Rittich or Gillies to figure out the NHL game and schedule.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Husky

Hoffman would be an excellent addition. Sniper with speed. Would allow for line options, but bare minimum scoring depth. If Jankowski could take another step would be great.

Gaudreau - Monahan - Ferland (line produces when they are all healthy)
Tkachuk - Jankowski - Hoffman (balanced scoring)
Bennett - Backlund - Frolik (pushed B & F down to the third line and gives Bennett solid linemates).

I agree he would be an excellent addition.

I just think trading Ferland as part of a package for Hoffman is a waste of time.

[Toonage]

Re: goaltending - If there is a deal to be made for O'Reilly, I'm sure Buffalo would love to add Lehner, an RFA who also doesn't want to be there anymore.

[Saqe]

I wouldn't trade Ferland, the Tom Wilson reference is accurate IMO. Except Ferland brings goal scoring too. He's the kind of guy you really want to have in the playoffs.