[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

But he couldn't keep his team out of the basement, which is what you blathered on about.

I mentioned that their situations weren't similar though so why is Monahan and Ottawa relevant?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

There's a difference between regression and being a bottom-feeder team. I fully expect providence to regress, but if Jankowski was truly a big part of this seasons success like some of you are quick to mention, than he should be able to take over top line duties and keep providence out of the basement next season. He's got a highly touted defensive game, but how much of that was due to Gillies .950 save percentage?

He is going to get the top line minutes next year. But, like I said Jankowski could put up Eichel type numbers next year and it wouldn't phase the over all team results if they crap the bed. But it wouldn't be Jankowskis fault would it?

How Gilies' save percentage has a direct effect on Janowski's defensive zone face off stats or positioning or stick work as other have alluded to is a mystery to me. Makes no sense at all.

And I'll repeat myself from previous posts I have made in this thread, don't expect Jankowski's offense to magically arrive in Providence under Leeman's defensive system. He'll blossom when he turns pro.

In the end, reinhart hasn't done anything to keep his spot over an incoming younger player like Jankowski. At the end of the day I'd be willing to bet the Flames will move Reinhart or another older player and sign Jankowski before letting him walk for a 2nd round pick.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by dammage79

What? What does overall team failure have to do with one player not being signed? It's straight up jibberish.

So what if Providence regresses next season. Jankowski could put together a Jack Eichel type of season and still have zero effect on the teams standings if the rest of the team craps the bed.

This thread has gone full circle again. from good conversation to jibberish. Time to let it die until next year.

Can't resist....

In the dictionary an example under jibberish: Jankowski is going to have an Eichel type year (71 pts in 40 games +51) and Providence becomes a losing team.

Eichel carried BU to a 28-8-5 record.....

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Okay so for a slight upgrade you would be willing to give up a 2nd round pick? I label that as bad asset management, but to each his own..

How is a third line NHL player a slight upgrade on an AHL player?

I label that confusing.

Players like Agostino and Hanowski showed more in their college career and had good AHL seasons, Agostino in particular. Add in Granlund, Shore, Smith, Hathaway, Jooris, Elson etc.. That's a lot of potential bottom 6 guys to list and that's without me looking at the roster list

Lots of potential but no log jam yet/if ever.

Guys like Agostino, Van braBant, Hankowski, Reinhart, Wolf, probably have one more season to prove they can make it, if not they're moved out for another group of potential to see if you can get guys like Jooris.

We've spent a lot of time talking about something that I think probably won't happen so I'm curious what do you think the chances of A) Jankowski sucking as much as you think he will next season and B)the Flames cutting him lose if he continues his current play and continues to elevate it?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Anyone who chalks up Jankowski's defensive game to Jon Gillies save percentage hasn't watched a lick of him playing over the past couple years, and certainly missed the Frozen Four tournament.

That's a really weird thing to say. Jon Gillies excellent saves didn't help Jankowski in the faceoff, along the boards, solid positioning and stick work.

I thought it did...

I don't know why Gillies is a god around here. Have any of you thought that perhaps Gillies played well partly because of the defensive-minded system Providence had?

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Over-hyping =/= Making the final call.

There has been no indication that Weisbrod overrode Todd Button, our director of Amateur Scouting, in the 2012 draft. Being high on a prospect does not mean Feaster/Weisbrod just magically acted differently from the rest of their tenure.

Where in that source does feaster say 'Button thinks the world of this guy'? And I think the Assistant GM would have authority to override the head scout. Weisbrod was the hockey guy so feaster listened to him. That was his job.

After the draft it was common knowledge around this forum that Weisbrod was the genius behind the move. Look up old sources if you still aren't convinced.

This is a good thing by the way, because the Flames still employ todd button.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I thought it did...

I don't know why Gillies is a god around here. Have any of you thought that perhaps Gillies played well partly because of the defensive-minded system Providence had?

I recall many headlines of Gillies being hockey east goalie of the week and month pretty regularly. He had monster games that included 50 save overtime wins and such. Plus he's had international success.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

I recall many headlines of Gillies being hockey east goalie of the week and month pretty regularly. He had monster games that included 50 save overtime wins and such. Plus he's had international success.

I love that we have Gillies, but to use him as a knock on Jankowski is just stupid.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I thought it did...

I don't know why Gillies is a god around here. Have any of you thought that perhaps Gillies played well partly because of the defensive-minded system Providence had?

I rely on 3rd party judgement for a lot of our prospects. Gillies seems to be a consensus top 5 NHL goalie prospect.

http://alongtheboards.com/2015/04/30...lie-prospects/

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

I recall many headlines of Gillies being hockey east goalie of the week and month pretty regularly. He had monster games that included 50 save overtime wins and such. Plus he's had international success.

What international success did Jon Gillies have exactly? You're really going to have to expand on that.

Gillies won a gold medal as a back up playing 1/3 of a game in the 2013 World Juniors.

As a starter in 2014 he was bad. The States finished 5th that year and his play was widely panned.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Where in that source does feaster say 'Button thinks the world of this guy'?

The part where Weisbrod drove an extra 2 hours and 30 minutes just to check him out should be pretty telling.

Name one instance in all of Feaster's career where he's ignored his head scout. That's the opposite of how he operated. Sutter? Maybe. Treliving? Maybe. But Feaster's MO was to defer to the department that did full time work year round.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

How is a third line NHL player a slight upgrade on an AHL player?

I label that confusing.



Lots of potential but no log jam yet/if ever.

Guys like Agostino, Van braBant, Hankowski, Reinhart, Wolf, probably have one more season to prove they can make it, if not they're moved out for another group of potential to see if you can get guys like Jooris.

We've spent a lot of time talking about something that I think probably won't happen so I'm curious what do you think the chances of A) Jankowski sucking as much as you think he will next season and B)the Flames cutting him lose if he continues his current play and continues to elevate it?

You sure get bitter about anything Jankowski..

Please show me a post where I say Jankowski is going to suck next season? One post with any semblance of this, otherwise you are just putting words in my mouth to prove your point.

I'm asking questions because things aren't as black and white as some posters are making them out to be. As a software engineer it's my job to think about any edge-case and look beyond what's directly in front of me.

Yes we've got all these players who have a year to prove themselves, but we also have no room for these guys even if we wanted to. 3 years ago I guarantee we would of called up someone of Agostino's caliber, but with all the other young guys already having success in the NHL, he's been left to his AHL roster spot. Even in the AHL it's been hard for these young guys to get playing time, because there's too many guys that have been progressing and showing that they belong.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Yes we've got all these players who have a year to prove themselves, but we also have no room for these guys even if we wanted to. 3 years ago I guarantee we would of called up someone of Agostino's caliber, but with all the other young guys already having success in the NHL, he's been left to his AHL roster spot. Even in the AHL it's been hard for these young guys to get playing time, because there's too many guys that have been progressing and showing that they belong.

So I asked you two questions in the post your replied to but you didn't answer.

I have another. How do we not have room for these guys? Flesh out our prospect base and who will be there in a years time and tell me how we won't have room.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

The part where Weisbrod drove an extra 2 hours and 30 minutes just to check him out should be pretty telling.

Name one instance in all of Feaster's career where he's ignored his head scout. That's the opposite of how he operated. Sutter? Maybe. Treliving? Maybe. But Feaster's MO was to defer to the department that did full time work year round.

I'm not going to keep debating this because all the facts are already on the table. If I could read feasters mind then I could answer that question for you...

Please explain why Weisbrod was hired as Assistant GM if not to give advice to feaster? When I say he's 'a hockey guy' that means he knows how to evaluate players (or at least should).

Button really wanted Weisbrod to see Jankowski because this was a high school program that was out of the way, meaning lots of scouts wouldn't be interested to go view the team. It was an off-the-board selection in their eyes, but according to this very reliable source, all signs point to Weisbrod who was at the table and got Feaster to draft him.

They were even in talks with new jersey and knew that New Jersey wanted janko with their pick, as they originally thought they could get Jankowski with their 2nd round pick.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by heep223

I rely on 3rd party judgement for a lot of our prospects. Gillies seems to be a consensus top 5 NHL goalie prospect.

http://alongtheboards.com/2015/04/30...lie-prospects/

Your article just lists a goalie prospect for each team, and Calgary is 5th alphabetically.

Where is the consensus top 5?

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Your article just lists a goalie prospect for each team, and Calgary is 5th alphabetically.

Where is the consensus top 5?

This time last year Gillies was 4th best. Damn Coyotes.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

So I asked you two questions in the post your replied to but you didn't answer.

I have another. How do we not have room for these guys? Flesh out our prospect base and who will be there in a years time and tell me how we won't have room.

And I asked you one question, but apparently you will ignore the fact that you flat out lied in your last post.

I'm not going to continue circling around this issue because you don't seem to respond to anything concrete and read things the way you want to. The exact same thing happened when we had this discussion in the back burner.

I know you want this to be a Jankowski circle jerk thread, so I'll stop asking the questions that seem to be tough for you to hear.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Your article just lists a goalie prospect for each team, and Calgary is 5th alphabetically.

Where is the consensus top 5?

Whoa that's embarrassing. I'm an idiot. Disregard

[jayswin]

The amount of reaching going on in here to label Jankowski a bust is mind-blowing.

It feels like fans of other teams are in here doing the usual "our prospects are all awesome yours are all crap and here's some irrelevant stats and future scenarios we've made up to prove our point" routine.

But it's our own fans, I guess clinging on to the fact that they didn't like the pick and feeling a need to prove and almost wish for the failure of Jankowski to be able to say "Yes!!! I was right!!!".

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

This time last year Gillies was 4th best. Damn Coyotes.

Dropping like a stone. Trade him now.