I've pushed back on lots of silly criticisms. And I've never voted Liberal. I thought maybe I did in 2015 even though I thought Trudeau was a smarmy ######bag back then, but I checked the riding I lived in at the time and I'm 99% sure I voted NDP.
But hey, I'm sure a few people here voted red in 2015 and maybe even the next time. You nailed them (whoever they are).
I wasnt trying to nail anyone or you is the funny part until I got a couple snarky replies. You noted that nobody in here claims to of voted for them in the recent election and I noted that its highly unlikely that nobody posting in this thread didnt. Was an observation more than anything.
Even using the 15% that surely doesnt accurately represent this forum theres bound to be some vocal posters in here who did. And realistically anyone who puts NDP ideologies first would also likely think or at least entertain swallowing their pride to vote Liberal as its the only party that stands a small chance around here winning a seat. But apparently saying so or pointing it out is blasphemous.
Said I was done with it on the last post but wanted to respond to you so you know I wasnt calling you out with my original post or even directing what I said at you. Just pointing out what I thought from the part of your first quoted post likely wasnt accurate as some people dont like to admit what they really voted for in order maintain some air of being unbiased I guess.
Hell I even voted Liberal in 2015 for my first and likely only time so its not like Im sitting on some high horse here.
Even using the 15% that surely doesnt accurately represent this forum theres bound to be some vocal posters in here who did. And realistically anyone who puts NDP ideologies first would also likely think or at least entertain swallowing their pride to vote Liberal as its the only party that stands a small chance around here winning a seat. But apparently saying so or pointing it out is blasphemous.
NDP got more votes and the same number of seats as the Liberals. They were also ahead of the Liberals in more ridings.
I know you posted it as a joke, but it sounds appealing. This sounds great with themes of freedom, responsibility, and transparent governance. However, all 3 of those things mean completely different policies for antivaxxers, climate change deniers, etc. Hard to actually know what they stand for
Premiers send letter to feds demanding bail reform after homicide
Tori Dunn, 30, was killed in her home on June 16. Her death prompted an outpouring of grief in the Metro Vancouver suburb.
The man who has been arrested in the killing, Adam Troy Mann, was released from jail just days before the fatal assault despite a lengthy criminal history and current criminal charges for an unrelated robbery.
Dunn's killing, along with what premiers say is a trend of "repeat and violent offenders being released into our communities without proper considerations," has prompted them to call on Ottawa to thoroughly review the bail system.
The letter says the reforms it implemented failed to prevent a violent offender from posing a public safety threat, and the federal government needs to review the bail data since the bill was implemented.
"Police services should not have to chase the same criminal three or four times because of an inadequate bail system,"
Foreign student permits are already outpacing 2023's record numbers
Even as federal Liberal government is pledging to cap the number of international study permits, its own data show Canada is approving permits at a pace faster than last year, which saw a record number of approvals.
International students were identified as a particular strain on housing and rent affordability in cities across Canada — especially in Ontario, the destination of choice for most foreign scholars.
One food bank in Brampton announced late last year that it was so overrun with international students seeking food, it was no longer allowing them access to their services.
“It is so bad that the current Liberal immigration minister himself said the broken system is ‘out of control’. The previous immigration minister admitted that the system is a ‘complete mess’. Even Trudeau acknowledged their shared failure, calling the system ‘broken,'” he said.
Pressure needs to be put on post-secondary institutions at the provincial level. There’s only so much the federal government can do without stepping on the toes of the provinces.
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Pressure needs to be put on post-secondary institutions at the provincial level. There’s only so much the federal government can do without stepping on the toes of the provinces.
You can't fault post secondary institutions for wanting to attract international students, with provincial funding cuts and funding restrictions put on them it's about the only way they can balance the books.
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That's some condo for a government purchase.
Now they're saying the sale of old one will cover this, so I'm not sure if the net result is actually ok financially, but optically it's a massive purchase.
You can't fault post secondary institutions for wanting to attract international students, with provincial funding cuts and funding restrictions put on them it's about the only way they can balance the books.
I don’t blame them. But their way of balancing the books is contributing to the housing crisis. They survived 15 years ago without relying so on international students for so much of their revenue. Has per capita funding from provinces really been cut that much?
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Not sure the top graph is especially useful. The percentage of costs covered by stakeholders doesn’t show us how the actual costs per students are increasing. I expect Canadian universities today would struggle to function on the real dollar per-student public funding of the 80s and 90s, let alone the halcyon days of the 50s and 60s.
The second graph is more useful. Though the international student enrolment issue is more pronounced in Ontario and B.C.
The context for all this is relentlessly rising health care spending devouring provincial budgets across Canada, while at the same time university costs per student keep rising.
Something has to give. Higher tuition, higher taxes, or institutional spending cuts. Pick your poison. The expedient solution of higher international enrolment without provision for housing has proven to have too many negative externalities to go on. At least at the ramped-up levels of the least few years.
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Reading that article, I guess I don't see his enthusiastic conclusions...
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But in the real world – the one that those on the public payroll graciously agree to share with us – the average 2023 university employee on the list earned $220,404. That’s a difference of only 4 percent or so, but that’s after we already accounted for inflation.
Perhaps I can illustrate this another way. The sum of all university salaries above the $117,000 threshold in 2003 was around $308 million. In 2023 dollars, that would equal $464 million. But the actual sum of all 2023 salaries above $175,000 was $1.8 billion (with a “B”)!
OK, so 4% above inflation, that doesn't seem awful. The last paragraph seems kind of vapid without discussing growth in enrollment(so more students) and growth in employees. It seems kind of irrelevant without that.
A look at how the CPC is benefitting from the anti-establishment frustration of younger Canadians.
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Around the world, support is bleeding away from centrist incumbents, with young and socio-economically marginalized voters leading the exodus. Even more notable, in many jurisdictions they are looking to populist leaders, including those on the right, for answers. Simply put, many voters at the political and economic margins have concluded that the social contract is no longer functioning, and more radical change is therefore warranted.
While speculation regarding Trudeau’s future hit a fever pitch following the party’s devastating byelection loss in Toronto—St. Paul’s last month, that result followed months of poor polling results. Those same polls made it clear that the party isn’t just losing out to the typical Conservative voting coalition. Young voters, a source of strength for the Liberals in recent years are abandoning the party in large numbers, and turning right as they do. Indeed, in recent surveys a plurality of 18—34-year-olds have indicated support for Pierre Poilievre’s Conservative party.
Poilievre, for his part, has demonstrated a continual ability to tap into those frustrations even when doing so appears to take him outside the mainstream of Canadian political views.
One interesting figure is over 60 per cent of Canadians aged 18-34 had some sympathy with the covid protests in Ottawa. I don’t know how salient that is politically anymore. But it might be wishful thinking to assume Poilievre will be hurt by his association with the protests.
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many voters at the political and economic margins have concluded that the social contract is no longer functioning
Is that alluded to in the report/study or is this just article opinion fluff.
Sure, to say that young marginalized people are disenfranchised or disappointed with the current status quo is nothing new; but are they actually questioning the social contract that exists in any serious way?
The move to populism isn't really that surprising either. Simple solutions to complex problems are always an easy sell.
"our housing crisis will be solved if only we stopped letting in foreign students!"
Trudeau promised 3.9 million housing starts by 2031. Industry says that the supply chain can only handle about half of that, and realistic increase in the supply chain isn't possible to complete in 7 years, let alone the immediate use that is required to hit that target.
It's also obvious that given the current level of immigration, the promised amount of housing starts will barely cover housing needs for the newcomers, let alone the backlog. The real number of housing starts will fall short.
So the current plan is just to retire for politics before the bill is due.
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The move to populism isn't really that surprising either. Simple solutions to complex problems are always an easy sell.
"our housing crisis will be solved if only we stopped letting in foreign students!"
I mean..."We won't be in a technical recession and our economic issues will be solved if we let in more foreign students!" is a simple solution to a complex problem as well and yet one the current government is doing.
Proof Point: Surging population growth has prevented outright declines in Canadian gross domestic product, but per person output is falling, and the unemployment rate is rising like it usually only would be during a recession. Interest rate cuts from the Bank of Canada will eventually alleviate some of the pressure on households. As purchasing power is restored, we expect per capita growth will turn positive by the second half of next year.
Higher interest rates alongside decades-high inflation in 2022-23 ate away at household purchasing power. Weaker demand spurred a rise in the unemployment rate of a size that historically only happens in recessions.
But decades-high population growth has masked this recession-like economic backdrop. Canada has added 2.1 million additional consumers since mid-2022.
Real per person output has declined in six of the past seven consecutive quarters and unemployment has risen at the same time.
The total size of the Canadian economy has continued to grow—narrowly avoiding the consecutive headline GDP declines that would normally qualify as a “recession” in the aftermath of surging inflation and aggressive interest rate hikes by the BoC in 2022-23. But, that’s only due to a wave of new consumers arriving from abroad. Canada’s population grew by 6% from Q2 2022 to Q1 of this year, adding 2.1 million new consumers to the economy. Consumer spending accounts for more than half of GDP, and many of those new arrivals (a larger share than the Canadian-born population) are also workers that added to the economy’s productive capacity.
Without higher population boosting demand, the Canadian economy almost certainly would have contracted outright over last two years. Per person after inflation household spending is 2.6% below its post-pandemic peak and down 2% from pre-pandemic 2019 levels as higher prices and interest rates cut into purchasing power. Per capita GDP has declined in six of the past seven quarters to 3.1% below 2019 levels.
Forecast per capita growth 1 year in the future to be positive...just completely out of touch.
Is that alluded to in the report/study or is this just article opinion fluff.
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An Ipsos poll at the time found nearly half of Canadians, and more than 60 per cent of Canadians aged 18-34, sympathized with the protest and found their frustrations legitimate, even if they found some of its tactics and positions problematic
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