Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Azure

The only thing that PP is likely going to do is cut the carbon tax and kill CBC.

Both I agree with.

Outside of that I don't expect anything at all, nor is he likely to deliver on anything at all.

Immigration as an example is not going to be properly dealt with.

How do you and he define “kill”?

[Azure]

Cut their funding drastically.

[chemgear]

Wouldn't just removing their funding force them to stand on equal footing with their other counterparts?

Nevermind the bonuses that they've been handing out.

[Ozy_Flame]

Question for the pro-CBC killers, is it the content you are fed up with? Or the funding model? The CBC gets public funds but also generates revenue from advertising, subscriber fees, commerical ventures, and partnerships/sponsorships.

What if it was funded with TV licensing fees like the BBC?

Or is it the fact that it's a public broadcaster and that does not comport with modern media expectations?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Question for the pro-CBC killers, is it the content you are fed up with? Or the funding model? The CBC gets public funds but also generates revenue from advertising, subscriber fees, commerical ventures, and partnerships/sponsorships.

What if it was funded with TV licensing fees like the BBC?

Or is it the fact that it's a public broadcaster and that does not comport with modern media expectations?

I'm not necessarily a CBC-killer but I think that certain areas needed to be trimmed back or axed. CBC News Network I actually think is beneficial and could continue. A lot of the other CBC programming is a waste in my opinion. They produce way more misses than they do hits for CBC Broadcasting. CBC Gem seems like a huge waste of resources. I know the big defense and reasoning behind this investment is to support Canadian arts and content but that just doesn't resonate with me, or many other Canadians, so it seems like a huge cost sink.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Locke

No.

This isn't like being proscribed 'billable hours.'

You should have a function as part of a unit and be required to be able to fulfill that function. What it costs to do that is what it costs.

Whether thats 2% of GDP or more, or less, a member-state should be given a requirement of ability not a requirement of spending.

That makes no sense. I'd never agree to that.

2% of GDP sounds like lobbyist BS to me.

I think the 2% of gdp is because it's a bill of affordablity, aand a countries ability to contribute. 2% isn't going to be a big drag on an economy, so it's seen as something you can require a diverse set of nations to do. I'm not sure what other metric you could use that is so straightforward and hard to argue against.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'm not necessarily a CBC-killer but I think that certain areas needed to be trimmed back or axed. CBC News Network I actually think is beneficial and could continue. A lot of the other CBC programming is a waste in my opinion. They produce way more misses than they do hits for CBC Broadcasting. CBC Gem seems like a huge waste of resources. I know the big defense and reasoning behind this investment is to support Canadian arts and content but that just doesn't resonate with me, or many other Canadians, so it seems like a huge cost sink.

It resonates with me in a big way, and has since I was a kid. I legitimately enjoy a lot of their programming, particularly CBC News, documentaries and nature shows. And I love that they give a platform for Canadian artists of all stripes. You can pry the CBC from my cold dead hands as far as I’m concerned.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Wouldn't just removing their funding force them to stand on equal footing with their other counterparts?

Nevermind the bonuses that they've been handing out.

I’m of the other mindset. Nothing the CBC produces should make a profit. If it’s making a profit. If it’s making money it could be provided by the private sector.

Instead we should focus on investing on money losing items like News, Radio and amateur sport.

[chemgear]

Eby seems to be having issues with the Federal government. BC election coming up soon. Timing is interesting with polls having him ahead but the race seemingly getting more competitive.


https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-pre...against-a-wall

B.C. Premier Eby says working with Ottawa can feel like ’beating our head against a wall’

David Eby says he's baffled Justin Trudeau has not met with the country's premiers to discuss pressing issues, despite repeated requests

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/eby...tion-1.7265985

British Columbia Premier David Eby said Wednesday his government is offering its "full support" to Newfoundland and Labrador's court case against the federal government over equalization payments — and is looking at filing a lawsuit of its own.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Locke

No.

This isn't like being proscribed 'billable hours.'

You should have a function as part of a unit and be required to be able to fulfill that function. What it costs to do that is what it costs.

Whether thats 2% of GDP or more, or less, a member-state should be given a requirement of ability not a requirement of spending.

That makes no sense. I'd never agree to that.

2% of GDP sounds like lobbyist BS to me.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I still think the 2% of GDP target is (at least partially) just the American government indirectly subsidizing the American defence industry. It's bullying their NATO allies into buying American guns/planes/trucks/etc.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

15.5% of Albertans voted for Federal Liberals.

52.6% of Albertans voted for the local monsters.

Math is hard.

Apparently reading comprehension is hard as well.

The point was all the people who swoop to delfect and defend Liberal blunders in here without fail but also claim to never of voted Liberal is laughable.

And just so to not be unfair to everyone I likened it too how many people dont admit to voting UCP in the Alberta thread.

Nice try though pal.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GGG

I’m of the other mindset. Nothing the CBC produces should make a profit. If it’s making a profit. If it’s making money it could be provided by the private sector.

Instead we should focus on investing on money losing items like News, Radio and amateur sport.

Sports for sure. I was always a big fan of watching CBC Sports on the weekends where they would cover athletics, alpine skiing, bobsled, speed skating, etc. They should definitely focus on a lot more of that stuff which SN/TSN might not necessarily pick up.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Patek23

Apparently reading comprehension is hard as well.

The point was all the people who swoop to delfect and defend Liberal blunders in here without fail but also claim to never of voted Liberal is laughable.

And just so to not be unfair to everyone I likened it too how many people dont admit to voting UCP in the Alberta thread.

Nice try though pal.

Then you don’t know what “proportionate” means.

Laughable, pal.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by GGG

I’m of the other mindset. Nothing the CBC produces should make a profit. If it’s making a profit. If it’s making money it could be provided by the private sector.

To be fair, some of their more successful shows only got there because the CBC was more patient or less focused on short-term results. The two shows that come to mind are Heartland and Murdoch Mysteries which are now on their 18th season. I don't think they would have lasted as long elsewhere, Murdoch was even canceled by City after just 5 seasons.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

15.5% of Albertans voted for Federal Liberals.

52.6% of Albertans voted for the local monsters.

Math is hard.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Then you don’t know what “proportionate” means.

Laughable, pal.

Having a slow day? Im equating the 4-5 vocal proponents in here for the Liberals to the 4 or 5 people towing the line in the Alberta thread. Very aware of what proportionate means.

But good on ya! Never miss a chance to be a smarmy ####### to someone.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Patek23

Having a slow day? Im equating the 4-5 vocal proponents in here for the Liberals to the 4 or 5 people towing the line in the Alberta thread. Very aware of what proportionate means.

But good on ya! Never miss a chance to be a smarmy ####### to someone.

Yeah, and we’re explaining to you that the number of people who voted UCP is significantly higher than the number of people who voted Liberal, so the number of people who did but say they didn’t probably reflects that.

Be smarter and then you won’t feel like people are being meanies to you.

[Patek23]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, and we’re explaining to you that the number of people who voted UCP is significantly higher than the number of people who voted Liberal, so the number of people who did but say they didn’t probably reflects that.

Be smarter and then you won’t feel like people are being meanies to you.

I wasnt aware you had the stats for all the CP voters that post?

Again. Real slow for ya. Theres the usuals in here that never fail to deflect or down play Liberal screw ups. Yet claim to of never voted Liberal.

Do you really think only 15% of the posters in here voted Liberal because of a broad stat spreading across the province? Does that stat take into account most in this thread are from a metro area? That many are spread out across the country?That all have the time and luxury throughout the day to post on a message forum about their political beliefs that likely 90 plus percent of the rest of the province does not.

So for a guy who likes to act like the smartest guy in the room it seems odd to attatch to such a broad stroke statistic aside from trying to nose into a convo you werent even mentioned in. But you sure must of felt like your one of those 5 LOL anyways good day, have never engaged you on this forum where you were in good faith anyways. Just always out tryna "own" everyone. If thats what gets you by in life than all the power to ya I guess.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Patek23

I wasnt aware you had the stats for all the CP voters that post?

Again. Real slow for ya. Theres the usuals in here that never fail to deflect or down play Liberal screw ups. Yet claim to of never voted Liberal.

Do you really think only 15% of the posters in here voted Liberal because of a broad stat spreading across the province? Does that stat take into account most in this thread are from a metro area? That many are spread out across the country?That all have the time and luxury throughout the day to post on a message forum about their political beliefs that likely 90 plus percent of the rest of the province does not.

So for a guy who likes to act like the smartest guy in the room it seems odd to attatch to such a broad stroke statistic aside from trying to nose into a convo you werent even mentioned in. But you sure must of felt like your one of those 5 LOL anyways good day, have never engaged you on this forum where you were in good faith anyways. Just always out tryna "own" everyone. If thats what gets you by in life than all the power to ya I guess.

Is it a broader stroke than “Hur hur the number of sneaky Liberals and sneaky UCP voters are the same cause I said so”?

Who here deflects and defends the Liberals but claim to have never voted Liberal? Name one.

[powderjunkie]

I've pushed back on lots of silly criticisms. And I've never voted Liberal. I thought maybe I did in 2015 even though I thought Trudeau was a smarmy ######bag back then, but I checked the riding I lived in at the time and I'm 99% sure I voted NDP.

But hey, I'm sure a few people here voted red in 2015 and maybe even the next time. You nailed them (whoever they are).

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I've pushed back on lots of silly criticisms. And I've never voted Liberal. I thought maybe I did in 2015 even though I thought Trudeau was a smarmy ######bag back then, but I checked the riding I lived in at the time and I'm 99% sure I voted NDP.

But hey, I'm sure a few people here voted red in 2015 and maybe even the next time. You nailed them (whoever they are).

I totally voted Liberal in 2015, specifically the promise that "this will be the last election using first past the post". I promised "this will be the last election I vote Liberal under FPTP". And I've held that promise for the last couple elections and will again.