Who's getting the H1N1 shot?

[mikey_the_redneck]

So now I am irresponsible for not getting vaccinated?

A lot of folks happen to feel that people panicing and lining up to get the shot is both an unnecessary waste of time and, shall we say, "unwise", considering I am more likely to die in a car crash or get struck by lightning.

You should go and talk to some Gulf War veterans about how there are..

"decades worth medical and scientific data regarding the efficacy and side effects of vaccines, and yet people who are completely unqualified seem to be willing to make grandiose statements about the downsides of vaccines."

Don't get me wrong though, if a REAL pandemic comes along I may get vaccinated, but this is just flat out pointless to me.

[HOOT]

My favorite part of all this is so many people are calling other names for not getting the shot but if you ask them if they get the seasonal flu shot (which is just as deadly, if not more) every year they say no. So what makes this flu so special? Media attention.

I'm not getting the shot and probably never will. Does that make me irresponsible? Nope.

[Bill Bumface]

Why would I get it when everyone else is?

[Calgaryborn]

According to this article there might be reason to believe the World Health Organization overstated the seriousness of this strain of the flu for financial gain. Many of the scientists who work for the WHO also work or pharmacy companies who made billions on this vaccine.

http://translate.google.com/translat...55&sl=da&tl=en

The financial association in and of itself looks bad but, isn't proof that these scientist were unethical in stating the impact of this flu. What hurts their credibility more is the little impact this flu has had so far. If waiting rooms have been overwhelmed with the seriously sick and dying I haven't heard about it. Perhaps I've missed the news but, I havn't heard about significant deaths in the third world caused by this strain of the flu. We don't even know how many actually has gotten the H1N1 in Canada because they aren't testing everyone who has symptoms because the strain it would put on the labs.

[HOOT]

Doctors are just like any other business owner, they are going to do what is best for them first, then their patient.

Last summer I got into a car accident where it hurt to lay down, so sleeping was difficult. I ended up going to three different clinics because each doctor didn't seem to really care what the problem was he/she was too busy getting their prescription pad out. Each doctor gave me a different types of medication, neither of them working for my actual pain.

Finally made it to my family doctor and he had me go to physio and three sessions later I was perfectly fine.

[Wookie]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Doctors are just like any other business owner, they are going to do what is best for them first, then their patient.

Last summer I got into a car accident where it hurt to lay down, so sleeping was difficult. I ended up going to three different clinics because each doctor didn't seem to really care what the problem was he/she was too busy getting their prescription pad out. Each doctor gave me a different types of medication, neither of them working for my actual pain.

Finally made it to my family doctor and he had me go to physio and three sessions later I was perfectly fine.

Yeah, I bet doctors only write prescriptions for drugs manufactured by the companies they own shares in.

God, I'm so glad my two doctor parents, (who have spent the majority of their lives doing research and helping patients and their families, overworked, underpaid, barely recognized other than by their immediate colleagues, now divorced, probably a large part due to the fact they focused immensely on their careers), are rich from writing prescriptions and only thinking of themselves first and their patients second. These people who deal with our health care system are so unbelievably overworked and underpaid! I recall stories of a friend who worked in ER at the Rockyview. She witnessed the entire ER room chanting "Do Your Fracking Job" because people were tired of the lineups. That's just a minor example of the crap these people put up with. Hearing you spew this crap just encourages the ignorance and you should feel responsible for it.

I'm bordering on going totally Shergill in this thread because of your post but am trying to contain myself.

The thinking isn't all that hard to follow.

New Flu Strain. No one or very few have an immunity to it, as such, flu shots are best prevention. In addition, wash hands, cough in sleeves, try to be clean.

Seasonal flu is generally variations of strains that have been going around for awhile and as such a lot of us are already exposed to them, or like ones. As such, if a healthy individual gets sick they should be fine and elderly/sick should get flu shot to help prevent the chance of suffering complications. If you want one and are healthy, that's nice, go and get a seasona vaccine.

This one looked to be worse, had the POTENTIAL to be worse, was is? Is it? Some people got pretty sick, some people died, and sadly that happens all the time. But, now, after the fact it looks like it wasn't as serious as it could have been.

Originally Posted by HOOT

haha I love the mad panic this thing caused over nothing more than a flu.

I'm confused, nothing more than what Flu? Asiatic Flu? Spanish Flu? Last years Flu? Hong Kong Flu? Next Years Flu? The Flu can be pretty serious. This was was an H1N1 like the Spanish Flu - it got peoples attention. Good, I'm glad people are watching these things for us.

Originally Posted by HOOT

So what is that .000003% of people in Canada have died from this flu up til Oct 31st? Then you have to think how many of those 100 were sick before.

Originally Posted by HOOT

What fotze had to go through was a joke probably waiting in line behind kids that weren't even sick. I blame the government, media and fear mongers that told everyone to get the shot, or else! What a joke this whole thing is!!!

A joke? Hardly, one day there very likely will be a pandemic of epic proportions. These jokes will likely have come at a mild annoyance to you, but will likely in the long run save very many lives.

Originally Posted by HOOT

I choose not to live in fear of everything that could possibly get me sick and/or dead. I'm not too sure what she could tell that would change my mind about this silly little flu. People get sick and/or die everyday from a numerous amount of things each day, if this happens to be the one I die from...oh well!

That's good! It's probably the best way to live! But how about not making ignorant statements about people who have decided to spend the majority of their lives helping others.

Doctors are just like any other business owner, they are going to do what is best for them first, then their patient.

You might be right for a few of them. But the majority are sitting in hospitals, walk in clinics, research facilities and universities 5 - 7 days a week helping people like you and me and our families. Try to show a little respect.

/end rant. I Apologize if taken to seriously.

[HOOT]

Don't worry I didn't take any of it seriously.

It is all overblown to me. That's my opinion, you have yours.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by kevman

Why does the pro-shot crowd feel that they have to force their opinions on others? I'm not getting the shot, I have my reasons and honestly I don't care if they agree with them because everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This does not make me stupid or irresponsible, this simply means I have a different opinion then they do...

How about drunk drivers that feel that driving drunk is okay? Are they stupid/irresponsible? Or do they just have a different opinion? And that telling them that they shouldn't drive drunk is "forcing my opinion" on them? Maybe they have their reasons, they don't care if anyone agrees with them and they are entitled to their opinion?

I'm not equating "not getting the vaccine" with "drunk driving"... I'm asking where the logical difference is... In both cases the action (or inaction) leaves you open to risk and risk to others, but getting the vaccine or calling a cab is inconvenient, but has considerably less risk.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

How about drunk drivers that feel that driving drunk is okay? Are they stupid/irresponsible? Or do they just have a different opinion? And that telling them that they shouldn't drive drunk is "forcing my opinion" on them? Maybe they have their reasons, they don't care if anyone agrees with them and they are entitled to their opinion?

I'm not equating "not getting the vaccine" with "drunk driving"... I'm asking where the logical difference is... In both cases the action (or inaction) leaves you open to risk and risk to others, but getting the vaccine or calling a cab is inconvenient, but has considerably less risk.

Actually that's precisely what you did.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Doctors are just like any other business owner, they are going to do what is best for them first, then their patient.

Are you not familiar with the Hippocratic oath?

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by valo403

Actually that's precisely what you did.

Not at all. I took an extreme example quite off the spectrum. My question is at what point can we excuse foolish risk as "just my opinion"? How about the guy that's going 30 over the speed limit because "in his opinion" the speed limit is too slow?

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Not at all. I took an extreme example quite off the spectrum. My question is at what point can we excuse foolish risk as "just my opinion"? How about the guy that's going 30 over the speed limit because "in his opinion" the speed limit is too slow?

I don't consider not getting vaccinated a "foolish risk", so I consider your examples and entire point ridiculous.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by valo403

I don't consider not getting vaccinated a "foolish risk", so I consider your examples and entire point ridiculous.

You do not consider not getting vaccinated as a risk? How is that? Do you some magic immunity?

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

Are you not familiar with the Hippocratic oath?

Ya I forgot no one is this world that takes and oath or makes a promise won't break it.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

You do not consider not getting vaccinated as a risk? How is that? Do you some magic immunity?

It is extremely miniscule. The numbers say you have a better chance of dying in a car collision than dying from swine flu....

And although the question wasn't directed at me, I will say yes, so far I seem to have some "magic immunity"....

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

You do not consider not getting vaccinated as a risk? How is that? Do you some magic immunity?

Yep, that's it

You said "foolish risk", and there's a difference. Everything is a risk, I don't consider the risk of H1N1 to be high enough to feel as though I should be getting vaccinated. End of story.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

It is extremely miniscule. The numbers say you have a better chance of dying in a car collision than dying from swine flu....

*thunk*

It appears to me that for many people anything less than dying is all good. Considering how many co-workers of mine were out two weeks sick as a dog, I would think people would WANT to avoid that. I quite stand corrected.

[Ashartus]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

It is extremely miniscule. The numbers say you have a better chance of dying in a car collision than dying from swine flu....

And although the question wasn't directed at me, I will say yes, so far I seem to have some "magic immunity"....

Don't most people also take reasonable precautions when driving too, like wearing seatbelts, having airbags, following traffic rules? Personally, any reasonable (i.e. doesn't cost a lot of money or inconvenience me much) action I can take that reduces my chance of dying from any cause (or in the case of flu even getting really sick) seems worthwhile. But I happen to like living

[Smell My Finger]

Was in the states 2 weeks ago and it wasn't news anywhere. I think our Canadian media is pushing the H1N1 hysteria as much as the medical community is.

I was at a business funtction when i got back and H1N1 dominated the idle conversation at the event

[Finny61]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

*thunk*

It appears to me that for many people anything less than dying is all good. Considering how many co-workers of mine were out two weeks sick as a dog, I would think people would WANT to avoid that. I quite stand corrected.

Yeah a lot of my co-workers were sick in the last month, I honestly don't know if it was H1N1 but seeing that the seasonal flu isn't terribly active in society right now that I figure it must have been a strain of H1N1 or strep or something I don't know. Perhaps also they were looking for some time off.

Next time use the example of choosing whether to use winter tires or not and the subsequent risk of having an accident, that will hit home for CPer's more.