2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by getbak

It's also nice that Ottawa is so irrelevant that we can talk about his career in the past tense even though he has played every game this season.

He's no longer a serviceable NHLer.

[getoverit]

Actually had to go in and out couple times to see if I was actually in the trade and rumours thread lol. Happy Monday

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

He's no longer a serviceable NHLer.

He wasn’t one in Calgary either. Guy stank almost but not quite from day 1 here.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

The story that Tootoo tells isn't really LTIR salary cap abuse. He was waived sent to the minors and then the injury was used as an excuse so he didn't have to play for the AHL team.

Did they put him on LTIR? if so, it saved them cap space.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Sorry Bingo not going to get dragged into your positive/negative fan nonsense. It gets tiring for everyone.

That's pretty convenient lol.

If you're a rainbows and puppy dog tails kind of guy and I called you negative then I owe you an apology.

If you tend to lean negative, then I didn't insult you in any way.

Both are a different conversation than what you just brought up.

But sorry to tire you out ... feel free to put me on ignore any time if my schtick is intolerable.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Not really a fair comparison of a rental player vs. a player signed to a decent contract for a number of years.

TB gave up 2 first round picks for Hagel. Chicago had no reason or desire to trade him, and TB made a offer they could not refuse.

Trade deadline deals are another matter.


There is no off season during any of last eight years that a 1st + two 2nds does not return a high quality NHL ready piece.

Whether it’s an RFA, a mid-20s top-4 D - you should get something high value if you’re paying that freight.

I’m certain better players moved that summer for similar returns.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Did they put him on LTIR? if so, it saved them cap space.

I think his entire contract could be buried either way

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Well, if his MRI showed any sort of damage, it's not really an abuse of LTIR - just a player with a bum shoulder not wanting to go through the grind.

come on now he would have played if it was the NHL just not in the AHL

he laterally said we will use this as our out

I play in the beer leagues and my MRI found problems in my neck. Every single NHLer has something

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Didn’t know where to put this:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1734021294310523369

LTIR is being abused and has been for years.

just kidding

the fact that some still try and deny it happens is the shock

[Blaster86]

Re: Tootoo. People are upset that a guy who was hurt and needed surgery went on LTIR? Que?

[SuperMatt18]

Jordan Tootoo made $750k and then $700k in his last two seasons, he could have been sent down without any impact to the salary cap.

And in the end his shoulder had been bugging him, and the MRI likely would have shown issues, and he got surgery.

Teams smartly abuse LTIR by correctly timing when their guys have their surgery's (that's what they did with Kucherov and Stone)... but this isn't a situation where it's relevant at all since Tootoo could have been sent down with no cap impact.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Did they put him on LTIR? if so, it saved them cap space.

Not really. He was only making league minimum, so a replacement player would have cost the same amount or more.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by TOfan

‘The wizard’ didn’t do his homework.


First of all, you’re singling out one person on that decision. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to go back over the past handful of pages to find a comment from yourself that it was Chris Snow who stopped Treliving from acquiring Ristolanien……but Chris Snow had no involvement in acquiring Hamonic?….that makes sense. Keep bending it the way you want, I suppose.

Also, Hamonic was 26 at the time of the trade with term and under $4M/season. I bet Treliving and his hockey ops team fid their homework. By what measure did he not do his homework?

So it’s Chris Snow’s fault also?

When you keep bringing in guys that don't work, it's more likely that you failed to do homework and proper assessment. Treliving had several BIG failures, not just one.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

So it’s Chris Snow’s fault also?

When you keep bringing in guys that don't work, it's more likely that you failed to do homework and proper assessment. Treliving had several BIG failures, not just one.

Whoa.

To be very clear, what I’m saying is it’s not Treliving’s fault, nor is it Snow’s fault. It’s the fault of an organization.

It seems like you, and others to be fair, need to find a throat to choke. It’s not that simple. I suspect these sorts of transactions, more often than not, are consulted by several people. It seems like you are more than willing to exclude any nuance into account.

Every single GM in the league has ‘failures’ as you’ve put it.

Every. Single. One. Of. Them.

And if they haven’t it’s because they’ve been on the job for two months. In other words, just wait. This goes for Conroy too before you get into full snivel mode (if you haven’t already).

[Shazam]

I mean I'll choke multiple throats for whoever was responsible for Brouwer.

And Neal.

And Hamonic.

And Kadri.

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Shazam

I mean I'll choke multiple throats for whoever was responsible for Brouwer.

And Neal.

And Hamonic.

And Kadri.

Kadri has been playing well it's just that his contract is too long.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Kadri has been playing well it's just that his contract is too long.

And the 1st we gave up to offoad Monahan for 1 season. And theres a chance its a really good 1st.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Kadri has been playing well it's just that his contract is too long.

Yup. He's living up to his cap hit since November started.

Problem is he will taper off with time and we have another 5 years after this one.

Since he doesn't want to be around for a retool he should showcase himself for Colorado tonight and maybe we can trade him with some retention there.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Shazam

I mean I'll choke multiple throats for whoever was responsible for Brouwer.

And Neal.

And Hamonic.

And Kadri.

One of these things is not like the other.

[CFO]

Dube for duclair and a pick.


If no magic with duclair/Huberdeau - trade duclair at deadline.