[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[Flames_F.T.W]

Originally Posted by shogged

If I’m St. Louis, Why do I wanna give up any assets at all when I know the guy wants to play for me?

He's stated he would sign an extension with several possible teams. So if St Louis doesn't pony up, they'll trade him elsewhere

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Treliving has a unicorn for sale. They don't come cheap. Send us your best offer.

Is that Commodore?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by shogged

If I’m St. Louis, Why do I wanna give up any assets at all when I know the guy wants to play for me?

He apparently gave a list of teams he'd be willing to sign an extension with, so maybe St. Louis isn't the only team he wants to play for?

That would be why. If you wait, he might be gone and extended with another team.

The only way they can know for sure is if there is tampering going on behind the scenes.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I see he was suspended at the start of a season briefly when he failed his physical?

When was he sat for a long period of time to get him to play ball?

Wasn't a long time but he held out with two years to go which is ridiculous.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yikes.

GL Brad Treliving

By the looks of these expected returns on here he is going to get mauled by many CP posters when/if the trade is announced.

Tre could have the fleece of the century (in his favour) and some posters here would still think he made a terrible deal.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by shogged

If I’m St. Louis, Why do I wanna give up any assets at all when I know the guy wants to play for me?

If and when he is traded, I would think the new team will already have negotiated a new contract.

(i.e. when the Kings acquired Fiala the signing was announced a couple days later)

[SuperMatt18]

In the end it’s in his own best interest to say he’s interested in other teams too…even if it’s not completely true.

You go tell the Blues that you’re the only team you’ll sign with and you’ll get a nice 8 x $9M contract offer and nothing more.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by shogged

If I’m St. Louis, Why do I wanna give up any assets at all when I know the guy wants to play for me?

Matt isn't dumb enough to limit himself to one team to sign with. Gaudreau's bizzaro world free agency might actually remind teams waiting for the guy might not work out.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by shogged

If I’m St. Louis, Why do I wanna give up any assets at all when I know the guy wants to play for me?

Cause the Flames will make sure whoever they trade with will get the extension too, in order to maximize return.

If St Louis won't pay up now, someone else on Matthews list will get him long term.

He's not going to make it to UFA next offseason.

They either want him and pay to get their wish, or can watch him play elsewhere.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by shutout

I would assume the opposite.
That if Tkachuk gave the team a list of places he would go to for a long term extension he would need the freedom to talk with those teams about the contract details.
Flames wont make a deal with a team that cannot come to an agreement with Tkachuk on a deal.

I guess the thing I was wondering was that when he was an RFA, any team could have approached him to discuss a contract even without Treliving's permission. With arbitration being selected, does that remove his RFA status completely, or can teams still openly contact him? I know they can't give him an offersheet, but I wasn't sure if they still couldn't talk to him period.

The thing that worries me is let's say Brad works out a favourable deal with NJ and assuming NJ was on Tkachuk's list, if St. Louis heard about it, they could call Tkachuk and say they made an offer too, then Tkachuk could take NJ off his list if he preferred going to St. Louis (or insert whatever team Tkachuk might prefer). Kind of like what Iginla did when it was leaked that there were competing offers for him. That was different of course because Iginla had an NMC, but the implications are the same.

Such a scenario would really put Treliving at a disadvantage.

[Bluzman]

Originally Posted by shogged

If I’m St. Louis, Why do I wanna give up any assets at all when I know the guy wants to play for me?

Good point when you can lurk in the weeds until this goes sideways and you can bid on a UFA.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He apparently gave a list of teams he'd be willing to sign an extension with, so maybe St. Louis isn't the only team he wants to play for?

That would be why. If you wait, he might be gone and extended with another team.

The only way they can know for sure is if there is tampering going on behind the scenes.

Presumably if he would sign with only one team, he would have said so. Maybe he did, but allowed Calgary to suggest there was more than one team to give the appearance of competition.

Ken Griffey Jr.did that when he forced Seattle to trade him to Cincinnati. At the end of the day, he said Cincy or bust.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by shogged

If I’m St. Louis, Why do I wanna give up any assets at all when I know the guy wants to play for me?

Might wanna ask Philadelphia, specifically about Johnny Gaudreau playing for them. You have to own the guy's rights and have the cap space to bring them in. Philadelphia was not prepared for the unlikely event that Gaudreau came available. Teams need to plan for these things, so they have the space or can give up the assets to get him right now, or risk that someone else snaps him up and then signs him long-term.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I guess the thing I was wondering was that when he was an RFA, any team could have approached him to discuss a contract even without Treliving's permission. With arbitration being selected, does that remove his RFA status completely, or can teams still openly contact him? I know they can't give him an offersheet, but I wasn't sure if they still couldn't talk to him period.

The thing that worries me is let's say Brad works out a favourable deal with NJ and assuming NJ was on Tkachuk's list, if St. Louis heard about it, they could call Tkachuk and say they made an offer too, then Tkachuk could take NJ off his list if he preferred going to St. Louis (or insert whatever team Tkachuk might prefer). Kind of like what Iginla did when it was leaked that there were competing offers for him. That was different of course because Iginla had an NMC, but the implications are the same.

Such a scenario would really put Treliving at a disadvantage.

One would assume that a condition of Tkachuk providing a list of teams he was prepared to negotiate with, he has the right to talk to all those teams.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by shogged

If I’m St. Louis, Why do I wanna give up any assets at all when I know the guy wants to play for me?

Because another team will trade for him and then you're SOL.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Presumably if he would sign with only one team, he would have said so. Maybe he did, but allowed Calgary to suggest there was more than one team to give the appearance of competition.

Ken Griffey Jr.did that when he forced Seattle to trade him to Cincinnati. At the end of the day, he said Cincy or bust.

Yeah, I am pretty sure it would already be leaked if it was St Louis or bust

[shogged]

Thank you for the responses, sorry I can’t quote them all on mobile.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, I am pretty sure it would already be leaked if it was St Louis or bust

My point was is that it might be St Louis or bust, but Tkachuk is allowing the Flames to give the impression of competition.

In the Griffey situation, Seattle reported they had a deal in principle with the Mets to put pressure on the Reds to up their offer. This pissed off Griffey so much he let the cat out of the bag and said Cincy or nothing. Which I believe was the case all along.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

One would assume that a condition of Tkachuk providing a list of teams he was prepared to negotiate with, he has the right to talk to all those teams.

I think there is a misunderstanding.

I know the Flames would give him permission to talk extension, but I was wondering if he "needed" permission to talk to other teams at this point, or if being an RFA, he can talk to anyone without permission still.

It changes the dynamic a lot of Treliving works out a deal with NJ for example, and then gives permission to Tkachuk before finalizing the deal to talk to that one team, and only that team. If Tkachuk was given permission to talk to any team on his list, or if any team could approach him before a deal is worked out, that could kill a deal as Tkachuk could change his mind.

[Redlan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Name a star player who was sat for a long period of time to get him to "play ball".

Mike Peca