[News] Tkachuk notifies Flames he won't sign long term (The Athletic)

[savardandjokinen]

Not really sure why Bratt is getting underestimated but Kyrou is getting the opposite

Kyrou was 4th on his team in scoring and his team was pretty good

Bratt led his team in scoring (hughes did get injured and would have) and his team wasn’t very good.

They also had pretty identical ppg in 20-21, and Bratt was putting up good seasons before kyrou was a full timer while they are from the same draft.

Not making an argument for one being better than the other but I don’t see how Bratt is more likely a bust than kyrou

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Incogneto

If NJ is the partner, throw Markstrom in too. They are a goalie away from being really good, and he'll just rot away here with the direction of the team.

Are we trying to improve the Flames or improve the Devils? If there is a pick involved I want the Devils' goaltending to remain a weakness so that pick still has potential to be a good one.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Are we trying to improve the Flames or improve the Devils? If there is a pick involved I want the Devils' goaltending to remain a weakness so that pick still has potential to be a good one.

Any pick will be lottery protected in any event.

But a NJ pick is likely better.

[MRCboicgy]

Originally Posted by Bonded

https://twitter.com/CgyNetwork/statu...51967589384193

Safeway rumours instead of Orange Julius, super legit hahaha

Need to know which Safeway before I write it off.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Are we trying to improve the Flames or improve the Devils? If there is a pick involved I want the Devils' goaltending to remain a weakness so that pick still has potential to be a good one.

Trying to maximize value for what is left of this rotting carcass of a roster.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Need to know which Safeway before I write it off.

Probably not true but meh if so.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yeah, as if Francis wouldn't be the one Tweeting that out himself if it was such a sure thing.

Francis is a complete bafoon…….

[Jore]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

Not really sure why Bratt is getting underestimated but Kyrou is getting the opposite

Kyrou was 4th on his team in scoring and his team was pretty good

Bratt led his team in scoring (hughes did get injured and would have) and his team wasn’t very good.

They also had pretty identical ppg in 20-21, and Bratt was putting up good seasons before kyrou was a full timer while they are from the same draft.

Not making an argument for one being better than the other but I don’t see how Bratt is more likely a bust than kyrou

Bratt's 5 on 5 points/60 over last 3 years: 2.44
Tkachuk's 5 on 5 points/60 over last 3 years: 2.49

Bratt's definitely not a bad player. He loves to carry the puck and drives play. He alone would be a better return than what the Flames got for Phaneuf. The tricky part is seeing where he fits into a rebuild

[SportsJunky]

Treliving has a unicorn for sale. They don't come cheap. Send us your best offer.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by MRCboicgy

Need to know which Safeway before I write it off.

Wonder if it’s my Safeway, aka the Russian Safeway - empty shelves, long lines.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

Not really sure why Bratt is getting underestimated but Kyrou is getting the opposite

Kyrou was 4th on his team in scoring and his team was pretty good

Bratt led his team in scoring (hughes did get injured and would have) and his team wasn’t very good.

They also had pretty identical ppg in 20-21, and Bratt was putting up good seasons before kyrou was a full timer while they are from the same draft.

Not making an argument for one being better than the other but I don’t see how Bratt is more likely a bust than kyrou

Kyrou was dominant in the playoffs

both are really good players though

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Bonded

What are you expecting?

Bratt+2nd+Foote+Tatar (if they went the Bratt route...I'd much rather start with Mercer)


I don't see anything with STL and Kyrou. He and Thomas have 1 last year of 2.8M (and ROR 1 yr to UFA) - I doubt they want to blow up their best remaining cap window.

Tarasenko still has a full NTC and I'd bet he's happy to stick around and hope for another PPG season...or accept a trade to somewhere that will extend him early. The rest of STL high AAVs have full NTC (except ROR and Buchnevich who has a 12 Team NTC...not what CGY needs anyways)


I think STL would have to be a complicated 3 team deal:

Spoiler!

To PIT: 6M in; 8.7M out
Tarasenko 50% retained via CGY (only $2.75M cash)
Barbashev (2.25M)

To CGY:
Neighbours
STL 1st (probably 2024 since they already don't have a 2nd in 2023)

Zucker (10 team NTC, but may be happy with higher TOI to rebuild value for next contract)
Kapanen
PIT 1st
Poehling
probably 1 more pick/prospect from PIT

To STL: 9.75M out; ~10ish in
Tkachuk
PIT 2nd

Complicated and I don't think it's quite there. Not sure it works for STL long term cap. They'd probably need to move Kyrou or Buchnevich the next summer.

Neighbours + 1st + 1st + Poehling is the main return; Kapanen probably turns into more assets sooner or later.

[Redlan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The chances of Calgary sitting a player purely for spite is maybe the dumbest suggestion ever on this board.

Because that chance is zero.

And I know that's a low bar in the first place.

Many teams sit players and it is not out of spite. You sit him because injury could lower your return (or prevent a trade altogether), because of the negative locker room presence or influence in the lock room on other players, because his production could fall (especially without one of the best playmakers just signed elsewhere) thereby lowering your return. You can simply sit him to show that, as an organization that you are going to do what is best for the team and will play the players who want to play for the team. Trevor Linden said it best” my dream is to play in the NHL, not sign an NHL contract .” Pay and play those guys!

[Number 39]

Are playoff performers going to be required here for awhile?

[Tbull8]

Didnt realize Neighbours is from Airdrie. Says he likes to play like Tkachuk... the irony

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Bratt+2nd+Foote+Tatar (if they went the Bratt route...I'd much rather start with Mercer)


I don't see anything with STL and Kyrou. He and Thomas have 1 last year of 2.8M (and ROR 1 yr to UFA) - I doubt they want to blow up their best remaining cap window.

Tarasenko still has a full NTC and I'd bet he's happy to stick around and hope for another PPG season...or accept a trade to somewhere that will extend him early. The rest of STL high AAVs have full NTC (except ROR and Buchnevich who has a 12 Team NTC...not what CGY needs anyways)


I think STL would have to be a complicated 3 team deal:

Spoiler!

To PIT: 6M in; 8.7M out
Tarasenko 50% retained via CGY (only $2.75M cash)
Barbashev (2.25M)

To CGY:
Neighbours
STL 1st (probably 2024 since they already don't have a 2nd in 2023)

Zucker (10 team NTC, but may be happy with higher TOI to rebuild value for next contract)
Kapanen
PIT 1st
Poehling
probably 1 more pick/prospect from PIT

To STL: 9.75M out; ~10ish in
Tkachuk
PIT 2nd

Complicated and I don't think it's quite there. Not sure it works for STL long term cap. They'd probably need to move Kyrou or Buchnevich the next summer.

Neighbours + 1st + 1st + Poehling is the main return; Kapanen probably turns into more assets sooner or later.

That package from NJ is atrocious……

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's not Trudeau's fault that the Flames built themselves with two keystone American players. There was nothing exceptional about Canada's COVID restrictions, and in fact many of the travel restrictions that impacted American players more, were American restrictions.

I get hating on Trudeau, but blaming him for this seems overboard.

But you have to admit it's opportunistic!!

[Bonded]

If Neighbours + 1st is the best package they get then may as well wait till the trade deadline

[Mass_nerder]

Am I missing something on Neighbors?
The stats aren't overly impressive, and he's never played a full season.
I get that there's often more to a player than just stats, which is why I ask.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I’ll take the over if you will take the bet that you offered up that the Flames will be better in the playoffs this coming year than they were last year.

This guy, my only bet was the Flames would get 90+ points...nobody took me up on that though
I never said they would get to round 3...Which Tkachuk/Gaudreau never have FYI. 1 win in round two is their best after 8 years or whatever.


The Flames could easily be a better playoff team depending on what they do here though...Tkachuk/Gaudreau haven't exactly been the best playoff guys, you thought so yourself until they left the team.