View Poll Results: What do you think the Avs will do?
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Avs match, keep O'Reilly
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Avs don't match, take the picks
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03-01-2013, 10:45 AM
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#1281
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Rico Fata's on waivers.
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03-01-2013, 10:45 AM
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#1282
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Originally Posted by kyuss275
Its not just that, The Vancouver media is saying that while they did not give an offer sheet to O Reilly they were just about to. They are also saying another team was about to do the same. Do posters really think between all of those GM's and lawyers that they would have all missed it?
Not to mention even if it is true, does anybody think a team would really take them to court? The flames would have the backing of the NHL,& NHLPA. Not to mention the bad will that team would have with O Reilly's agent and other agents.
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Probably not, but its still an interesting scenario that could have come up.
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03-01-2013, 10:45 AM
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#1283
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
No, it really doesn't. It has merit because some journalist says so? The rule states the player is exempt if he is on a clubs reserve. He was, it does not specify the player has to sign with that team.
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O'Reily was on our reserve?
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03-01-2013, 10:46 AM
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#1284
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by calumniate
If this rule is true, it would be effectively protecting the Avalanche from offer sheets on ROR? Strange
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Exactly. All we've seen is the Memorandum of Understanding between the league and PA, not the final CBA (which, I don't even know if it's officially finalized).
I can't imagine that the PA would have "understood" that clause to mean that only RFAs who are re-signed by their previous team would be able to play if they're signed. That would significantly restrict the player's options as a free agent.
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03-01-2013, 10:46 AM
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#1285
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
No, it really doesn't. It has merit because some journalist says so? The rule states the player is exempt if he is on a clubs reserve. He was, it does not specify the player has to sign with that team.
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He would be on CO's, not Calgary's. Which is crux of the situation....
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03-01-2013, 10:46 AM
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#1286
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by puckluck2
O'Reily was on our reserve?
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One would assume that the reserve list would include all teams. If it doesn't it would effectively render the offer sheet process moot in this case.
The language needs to be cleared up big time though.
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03-01-2013, 10:46 AM
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#1287
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: South of Calgary North of 'Merica
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Anybody notice TSN who have the real hockey experts have not said boo about this? There is a reason for this, there is no story here. They are sitting back laughing at SN, it would be on their lead page if it had any merit.
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Or they are looking further into it before they comment on it. Just because they haven't said anything yet doesn't make it not true.
Many people see Dreger and Mackenzie as true hockey pundits that do their research first.
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03-01-2013, 10:46 AM
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#1288
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by puckluck2
O'Reily was on our reserve?
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lol, you don't get it do you.
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03-01-2013, 10:47 AM
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#1289
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by puckluck2
O'Reily was on our reserve?
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"A club" is a very different statement then "the club"?
This line:
"For further clarity, if Club A trades such a Player to Club B and Club B signs the Player to an SPC,such Player will be exempt from the application of CBA 13.23."
Also makes it seem like the player is exempt from rule 13.23 which states they much clear waivers, if they change teams.
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03-01-2013, 10:47 AM
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#1290
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Franchise Player
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Ugh.
This is just as bad as knowing a trade is in the works and hitting refresh over and over again, while waiting for official confirmation of the return, all the while reading endless speculation on what the return is going to be.
Haha
"It's Weber and a first for Regehr"
"Flames fans aren't going to be happy with the return for Regehr"
"It's Adam and a 1st"
I can't wait until this is officially clarified.
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03-01-2013, 10:47 AM
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#1291
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
He would be on CO's, not Calgary's. Which is crux of the situation....
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So? He doesn't have to be. He just has to be on a clubs list as written in the CBA.
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03-01-2013, 10:48 AM
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#1292
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: PEI
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Let's not forget that Colorado Avalanche president Pierre Lacroix is one of Jay Feaster's good friends, he actually credits Lacroix for his first job in Hershey, his job in Tampa, and looks at him as a mentor.
The second I heard of this offer sheet I though something was up.
Avs get to save face since they were "forced" to give money to O'Reilly that they didn't want to, and Feaster gets to look like he tried to improve his teams center ice position.
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Then Feaster went into the Flames dressing room after the 1st and told them to blow the lead to help the Avs save some more face.
Feaster has secretly been working for Lacroix the entire time and that's why he assembled such a terrible team in Calgary.
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03-01-2013, 10:48 AM
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#1293
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Originally Posted by Phanuthier
Probably not, but its still an interesting scenario that could have come up.
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The thing is it would not have come up. This is just a bunch of posters trying to dump on Feaster, when there is no reason to for this circumstance.
If posters want to dump on Feaster for other things go ahead, but this should not be one of them.
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03-01-2013, 10:49 AM
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#1294
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
lol, you don't get it do you.
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But you obviously do.
This scenario would have taken days for lawyers to come to a conclusion and possibly court to settle it but Dissentowner knows all the answers and this isn't even a story.
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03-01-2013, 10:49 AM
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#1295
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Franchise Player
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TSN guys are probably taking their time and getting their facts straight before they post a story that might or might not have any truth to it.
In my opinion, the Johntson article is incorrect, and O'Reilly would NOT have had to pass through waivers had the offer sheet not been matched by Colorado.
However, I'm not a lawyer, I don't have access to the full CBA, and I've been wrong before. If the Johnston article happens to be correct, which again, I don't believe it is, then I'll be absolutely shocked and IMO someone's getting fired for that.
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03-01-2013, 10:49 AM
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#1296
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuss275
The thing is it would not have come up. This is just a bunch of posters trying to dump on Feaster, when there is no reason to for this circumstance.
If posters want to dump on Feaster for other things go ahead, but this should not be one of them.
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No, this is SN looking for a big story that is just not there.
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03-01-2013, 10:49 AM
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#1297
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Cool Ville
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See if Sherman is willing to trade Stastny now.
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03-01-2013, 10:49 AM
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#1298
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by CedarMeter
Do you remember the Dean Mcammond fiasco????
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That was a funny one.
You don't see mistakes like this happen all the time, but they do happen. Someone already mentioned Tallon not qualifying his RFAs in time. I also recall one year the Oilers burned a draft pick on a player that wasn't draft eligible. I'm sure there are others that we don't even know about.
I still doubt that the SN article is correct though. Both SN and TSN love to take any opportunity they can to insult the Flames.
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03-01-2013, 10:50 AM
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#1299
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Originally Posted by kyuss275
Not to mention even if it is true, does anybody think a team would really take them to court? The flames would have the backing of the NHL,& NHLPA. Not to mention the bad will that team would have with O Reilly's agent and other agents.
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Probably not.
What I imagine would actually happen is that everyone would agree that he doesn't have to clear waivers, any teams who were upset by that interpretation (notably Columbus and Buffalo) would be privately convinced to tow the party line, and this would all be swept under the rug so that no one ends up with egg on their face. Of course, that doesn't necessarily reflect the CBA reality, but it's the likeliest practical consequence.
The fact that the whole issue is moot is what makes the discussion interesting because it occurs in the abstract without the political reality that having this mess actually play out would be bad not just for the flames but for the NHL in general, in PR terms.
Last edited by AR_Six; 03-01-2013 at 10:52 AM.
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03-01-2013, 10:50 AM
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#1300
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
So? He doesn't have to be. He just has to be on a clubs list as written in the CBA.
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Are you a lawyer? I'm not ... but I'd be interested to see what lawyers who are on CP make of this.
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
One would assume that the reserve list would include all teams. If it doesn't it would effectively render the offer sheet process moot in this case.
The language needs to be cleared up big time though.
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ya we'll probably see that amendment after this near miss
Also ... I'm not looking to dump on anyone. Oversights like this happen, I don't think its a big deal. Nor do I think much would have amounted to this, but it could have been.
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