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[Dion]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

DeSantis has dropped out endorsing Trump.

Just Haley left, we'll see on Tuesday if she can win New Hampshire.

It will be interesting to see who DeSantis supporters end up supporting. Chances are most will be Trump, but you never know.

[FlamesAddiction]

Of all the horrible things happening in the world these days, the thought of another Trump presidency is what gives me the most concern.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by direwolf

Entertaining is the last word I would use to describe it. More like terrifying. The U.S. is now one election away from descending into total fascism and putting a reprehensible, narcissistic, bat**** crazy lunatic back into the White House. I’m extremely worried about what that would mean for the rest of the world, especially Canada. MAGA style politics has already infiltrated places like Alberta and Saskatchewan, and it’ll only continue to get worse if the orange s*** stain is re-elected. These are scary times.

It can be entertaining and terrifying at the same time.

[KelVarnsen]

Not really

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

It can be entertaining and terrifying at the same time.

Until Milhouse thinks he has carte blanche to act like am imbecile with imbecilic leadership because Trump Daddy sets the tone.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by nik-

Vivek has been twerking for the VP nod basically since the start.

Yeah but it'll be a woman for sure. And a hot one.



Either Kari Lake (Crackpot Senate loser from AZ), Kristi Noem (Governor, SD, kooky), or as a longshot, Nancy Mace (Rep out of South Carolina, extremely kooky).

Elise Stefanik thinks she's got a chance, but she's not conventionally "hot" enough for Trump to share a ticket with.

[curves2000]

If Trump wins, does that put gigantic stain on the Democrats and on Joe Bidens legacy? The party and it's leadership could not convince a wildly unpopular President for not running, thus putting what they say is American democracy at stake?

If Joe Biden wins but becomes in essence, too old , ineffective, spending significant time in hospital, declining health and more, a stain on the Democrats and Joe Biden's legacy?

Short of Biden winning and being very effective for another 5 years, this screams risk for his legacy and for the Democrats.

Nixon stepped down after near certain impeachment, JFK was killed. If this doesn't go well for Biden, virtually all of America will look back on his Presidency and wonder what if? Buyers remorse.

If Trump wins, how do the Democrats and Biden actually look to millions of their voters and millions of American's who don't want Trump? The analysis afterwards will be we ****ed up worse than almost anybody else in history. How do they recover from that?

Fascinating all around

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by curves2000

If Trump wins, does that put gigantic stain on the Democrats and on Joe Bidens legacy? The party and it's leadership could not convince a wildly unpopular President for not running, thus putting what they say is American democracy at stake?

If Joe Biden wins but becomes in essence, too old , ineffective, spending significant time in hospital, declining health and more, a stain on the Democrats and Joe Biden's legacy?

Short of Biden winning and being very effective for another 5 years, this screams risk for his legacy and for the Democrats.

Nixon stepped down after near certain impeachment, JFK was killed. If this doesn't go well for Biden, virtually all of America will look back on his Presidency and wonder what if? Buyers remorse.

If Trump wins, how do the Democrats and Biden actually look to millions of their voters and millions of American's who don't want Trump? The analysis afterwards will be we ****ed up worse than almost anybody else in history. How do they recover from that?

Fascinating all around

If Trump wins, it will be a huge fail on the part of the Democrats. But at the same time, if after everything, there are still people who want to vote for Trump, then I don't know if there is anything that could ever change their minds. It doesn't matter who the Democrats run.

[Ped]

People that are convinced Trump is the Messiah cannot be convinced of otherwise.

[activeStick]

In other American news, America has unilaterally claimed a maritime territory twice the size of California ignoring international rules/agreements.

https://www-bnnbloomberg-ca.cdn.ampp...www.google.com

More than half of America’s extended continental shelf — 520,400 square kilometers — stretches in a large wedge north of Alaska toward the Arctic Ocean, including an area that overlaps with Canadian claims to the seabed floor, according to the US statement.#

Another 176,300 square kilometers lies in the Bering Sea, between Alaska and Russia, but falls on the US side of the maritime boundary between the two countries. Canada and the US don’t have a maritime boundary agreement in the Arctic and establishing the US outer limits in the Arctic “will depend on delimitation with Canada,” the State Department said in its executive summary.

Canada’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs didn’t respond to a request for comment.#

Law of the Sea

The 1982 United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, which the US never ratified, governs maritime zones around countries. Under the law, countries have the right to any resources in the sea or seabed floor within their so-called exclusive economic zones, which can stretch up to 200 nautical miles off the coast.

But beyond that, they can claim economic rights to resources on or below the seabed floor where their continental shelf extends, although not within the water column. The seas above also remain international waters. Russia, Denmark and Canada have waited years for their overlapping Arctic seabed claims to be reviewed by the Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, a UN supported group, with Russia the first to receive a ruling earlier this year.

The State Department said in its response to questions that the US would need to establish maritime boundaries in the future with Canada, the Bahamas and Japan where their claims overlap. It added that the US uses the same rules to determine its extended continental shelf as in UNCLOS, which it said the Biden administration supports joining.

The decision to unilaterally delineate its continental shelf boundary, rather than to ratify UNCLOS and then submit a claim through the commission, may raise the ire of other countries, said Pincus at the Wilson Center.

“I think a lot of other countries around the world are going to have thoughts about how the US has done this,” she said. It also may reduce the likelihood of the US ever ratifying the law since a major reason for doing so would have been to make a CLCS claim, she said.#

"Do as I say, not as I do!!"

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Ped

Well, Ron has basically abandoned Florida for 10 months, and Florida has a heavy MAGA population, i would assume. It's not like he wants to go out and find a real job.

You say that like its a bad thing.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by curves2000

If Trump wins, does that put gigantic stain on the Democrats and on Joe Bidens legacy? The party and it's leadership could not convince a wildly unpopular President for not running, thus putting what they say is American democracy at stake?

If Joe Biden wins but becomes in essence, too old , ineffective, spending significant time in hospital, declining health and more, a stain on the Democrats and Joe Biden's legacy?

Short of Biden winning and being very effective for another 5 years, this screams risk for his legacy and for the Democrats.

Nixon stepped down after near certain impeachment, JFK was killed. If this doesn't go well for Biden, virtually all of America will look back on his Presidency and wonder what if? Buyers remorse.

If Trump wins, how do the Democrats and Biden actually look to millions of their voters and millions of American's who don't want Trump? The analysis afterwards will be we ****ed up worse than almost anybody else in history. How do they recover from that?

Fascinating all around

Biden needs to look at the polls and retire, Trump will smoke Biden because of the independents, Trump leads the polls by anywhere from 11-13 points with independents. Any other top democrat would destroy the orange goblin by 20-25 points with those voters, hopefully his inner circle can convince him to step away.

Let a Polis, Newsom or Shapiro beat up on Trump

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Voters don't experience the economy in terms of GDP growth or stock market values. Things like wages, inflation, and housing costs are what they see, and none of those things are particularly rosy right now. Real wages are still lower than they were pre-pandemic, inflation is still above the target range (and might require an economic downturn to really fix), and housing affordability is at its lowest level in decades.

Do you have a source for that? According to this, real wages are rising.

Prices have increased 20 percent since the fourth quarter of 2019, while wages for a typical worker have grown 23 percent.5 (see Figure 1) In fact, real wages for a typical worker stand at about the level expected if there had been no pandemic or recession in early 2020 and if they had kept growing at the same rate as in years prior.

https://www.americanprogress.org/art...y-than-prices/

One explanation for Americans being pessimistic about the economy is growing affective polarization. Republicans cannot bring themselves to believe that the economy is strong when a Democrat sits in the White House (and vice-versa). This helps explain why there’s a gap between how people rate their own personal finances, and their view of the economy in general, with the latter becoming increasingly correlated with political partisanship.

[devo22]

at least we know Trump won't pick Haley for VP because he thinks she is Nancy Pelosi. But Joe Biden is old and senile, amirite?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1748533500117233721

[craigwd]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

DeSantis has dropped out endorsing Trump.

Just Haley left, we'll see on Tuesday if she can win New Hampshire.

I just don't get the American political system.
So the dude spends millions upon millions, takes part in dozens of debates......and lasts for one caucus; where 99.999% of people don't actually cast a ballot.


So every supporter that planned to vote for him in the other 49 states, gets screwed from their chance.


What an effed up system.


Just hold one massive primary and be done with it.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by craigwd

I just don't get the American political system.
So the dude spends millions upon millions, takes part in dozens of debates......and lasts for one caucus; where 99.999% of people don't actually cast a ballot.


So every supporter that planned to vote for him in the other 49 states, gets screwed from their chance.


What an effed up system.


Just hold one massive primary and be done with it.

Yup, and do it within 2 months of a general election so there isn't endless campaign cycles to deal with, leading to ridiculous fundraising objectives that take up the candidates entire time and focus. Limiting campaign periods would really help fix this process and allow for a more democratic nomination rather than whoever can outlast the others in campaign funding.

[Ozy_Flame]

All of these candidates dropping out are angling for spots in Trumps cabinet. You haven't heard the last of these people. They may yet still be capable of extreme damage to the larger public.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

All of these candidates dropping out are angling for spots in Trumps cabinet. You haven't heard the last of these people. They may yet still be capable of extreme damage to the larger public.

I still think DeSantis miscalculated, he should have waited until 2028 in a wide open election. He read his own headlines. He won't be in any cabinet, he'll go back to being governor and try for 2028 but he might have blown it already.

[Fuzz]

I still don't understand how he isn't in prison. Or that even one person on Earth can consider this man suitable for the presidency.

[activeStick]

Actually, what happens to all the funding that those candidates raised for their presidential campaign? I suppose it gets funneled into the GOP party as a whole with audits to ensure that the candidates (e.g. Vivek or DeSantis) aren't diverting any if it to their own coffers?