[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by shutout

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/detroi...smus-andersson
:

Surprised that we do not hear more about the Red Wings when it comes to Andersson.
Yzerman sounds like Andersson is exactly what they are looking for.

Or is Detroit on his six team no trade list?
- Buffalo
- Winnipeg
- Ottawa
- Detroit

Andersson is scooter-phobic.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

Andersson is scooter-phobic.

TBF, what happened to him was pretty bad.

[Goriders]

Looks like Hague got injured recently.

He’s a big guy. 245 lbs

[Johnny Makarov]

Just go away Oiler's pylon.

A 3rd rounder from Vegas is like a late 2nd rounder...

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I guess the point is that we keep being told that he'll be in such high demand but that really doesn't appear to be the case.

If we're getting what everyone seems to think we'll get, they'd have moved him at the deadline regardless. They didn't get anything at the draft even after the possibility of having such a profile asset for 2 playoff runs was missed.

Friedman, Lebrun, Johnston. All suggesting that Andersson will be in high demand. When is that coming if we haven't seen it already and how can we be so sure that there will be any more demand next spring?

I think thats why we're hearing extension talk again. And the Boeser comparison. Remember what the Vancouver GM had to say about trade offers there? I really wonder if thats happening here. Everyone overvaluing Ras.

I mean Vegas' offer was apparently (Friedman suggested this) a 1st and Nic Hague but Hague wouldn't come here. No one could or wants to match that?

First off, what do you think Nic Hague and yet another Vegas 1st is worth to the Flames? I do not think that is a very good trade, especially when you consider the fact that putting Andersson on the Knights roster is very likely to lower the value of the 2 first round picks we would be holding. (Also the acknowledging that teams almost never get to trade up with their late 1st round picks, so collecting them as future trade ammunition is not a good idea.)

I also do not think the Stars or Kings are really knocking anyone's socks off considering what they have in the cupboard and what everyone says is untouchable. Maybe the Kings offer was decent but from the rumours it doesn't sound like it was nearly as good as originally suggested.

I think the same number of teams are interested in Andersson and, if Conroy's price remains high, they are probably trying to see what they can do to avoid that cost.

For example, I believe that is why the Sharks have Klingberg.. but as the Sharks get into the season they are going to realize that they desperately need a top 4 RD and that Klingberg is not a substitute for Ekblad or Andersson. They are the kind of team that should try to move on Andersson right away to help build the season with him on the roster.

Other example, a team like the Stars are also probably thinking that they can limp to the trade deadline with their current top 4 D but unless someone like Lundkvist takes a surprising step forward, I expect they will remain interested in Andersson right up to the trade deadline. At which point, Nill needs to decide if he wants to meet Conroy's price to go after a cup with an upgraded D corp or go back into the playoffs with essentially the same group as last year (or weaker depending on how you view Ceci vs Lundkvist/Lyubushkin).

What I think will be interesting from the Flames perspective is that we've identified 2 needs for the Flames: #1C and a top 4 LD. But what if Kuznetsov manages to establish himself as a top 4 LD? That would basically mean the Flames are only looking for a high end C in the Andersson trade. It would also mean that avoiding the Hague trade is an even bigger win.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Wolven

First off, what do you think Nic Hague and yet another Vegas 1st is worth to the Flames?

It was apparently enough to pull the trigger. Ras said he'd sign there long term and the deal was apparently done until Hague said no thanks.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Toonage

It was apparently enough to pull the trigger. Ras said he'd sign there long term and the deal was apparently done until Hague said no thanks.

*shrug* I guess I should thank Hague for allegedly saying no thanks. But I would also guess that there is more to the story than that.

Either way, I am cheering for Kuznetsov to make that decision look even better for the Flames.

[jlh2640]

Trade him to the highest bidder on Trade Deadline day.

[CroFlames]

Is it too early to say Conroy ####ed this up? I think the consensus is that he should have been traded prior to this offseason, but since that didn't happen, it was imperative it happened this summer and it didn't.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Yes. It's too early to say that.
I don't know how you even evaluate it without knowing the offers.

You set a price and when you get that price you move the player.
Or you adjust your price if it becomes clear you can't get it.

They weren't going to trade him at the deadline last year when they were in the thick of the playoff race.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Is it too early to say Conroy ####ed this up? I think the consensus is that he should have been traded prior to this offseason, but since that didn't happen, it was imperative it happened this summer and it didn't.

Yeah it's too early. Too many unknowns. And if anything, not getting that VGK trade done may have undone the mistake that would have been a trade with Vegas. Nic Hague saying no may have gotten the Flames a better return at the deadline. Or, the Flames re-sign Andersson... Who knows!

[Toonage]

That it never came to be is sort of a mixed blessing. Hague would have been alright, big guy who would have made the team tougher but really wouldn't be a great return. Same for their pick. Probably 2027? 2028? The curse is now teams see what a signed Ras would cost them. At least then.

[FlamesAreOne]

8 year deal for Ras? Noooooo thank you.

[Robbob]

I thought I read somewhere the Flames are only offering him 6 years.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yes. It's too early to say that.
I don't know how you even evaluate it without knowing the offers.

You set a price and when you get that price you move the player.
Or you adjust your price if it becomes clear you can't get it.

They weren't going to trade him at the deadline last year when they were in the thick of the playoff race.

I won’t sit here and re-hash the discussion again, but it’s the bolded part where Conroy absolutely deserves to be critiqued. That *appears* to have been a short sighted point of view and poor asset management.

[Toonage]

I'm bristling less at the idea of an 8 year deal for Ras. I get that he doesn't fit their window, but someone is going to pay for him and their window may only be this year.

Also, as last year proved, the Flames may see their window open sooner than expected.

and with all this new talk of an extension not being out of the realm of possibility makes me think something has changed. And that may be that his demand isn't what we (or he) thought it was.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I thought I read somewhere the Flames are only offering him 6 years.

That's why a trade is more likely than him being signed.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I won’t sit here and re-hash the discussion again, but it’s the bolded part where Conroy absolutely deserves to be critiqued. That *appears* to have been a short sighted point of view and poor asset management.

So you aren't going to re-hash the discussion, except for the part where you state your strong view?

[Jiggy_12]

The Flames still possess the asset in question. So no success/failure can be determined until we have the actual outcome.

anything else is just your best guess until then. so lets wait and see

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So you aren't going to re-hash the discussion, except for the part where you state your strong view?

Yep pretty much, feel free to go through my post history if you wanna have a read of it again. I’m not going to copy and paste my old posts, you and anyone else are perfectly capable of doing that yourself.