[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[Split98]

Would we all hit the floor if he was traded for a 2nd?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by David Struch

How about this...

Markus Granlund ($767,500)
+ Emile Poirier/Mark Jankowski/Morgan Klimchuk
+ Brandon Hickey/Oliver Kylington/Rasmus Andersson

If you changed it to:

Granlund + Klimchuk + Anderson

then yes, definitely.

But if it was Granlund + Jankowski + Kyllington then, no.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Split98

I don't think he would though. Unless Drouin immediately starts producing with Bennett, we will have an immediate defensive loss in Backlund. I like Arnold and Grant quite a bit, but against Backlund they'll be dominated.

Maybe more than Granlund+Poirier for sure. I just can't think of what package TB will want, and we should be willing to give up beyond that.

I 100% agree that both Grant and Arnold are a step back from Backlund but look at our top 6 forwards. This team doesn't have enough skill up front and even though Droin isn't lighting the world on fire, he's shown that he's tallented and he's more talented then the other options (considering Hudler won't/shouldn't be here long term). I think if Bennett has a winger like Drouin, they'd both benefit and their production would increase. Right now, Bennett makes his line mates better but this team needs someone to make Bennett better and they don't have that.

If we had a top prospect who we were going to trade, would you accept a deal like the one you're offering because I'm almost positive another team would give up more than just fringe prospects, something a good player will have to be included.

[dustyanddaflames]

It appears from some of these offers, some are forgetting others are bidding on Drouin as well. Yzerman isn't only negotiating with the Flames, if at all.

[FeyWest]

Originally Posted by dustyanddaflames

It appears from some of these offers, some are forgetting others are bidding on Drouin as well. Yzerman isn't only negotiating with the Flames, if at all.

And this is why I don't think we will or should get him because there is going to be a bidding war and Calgary is in no position to be going all in as it were.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I 100% agree that both Grant and Arnold are a step back from Backlund but look at our top 6 forwards. This team doesn't have enough skill up front and even though Droin isn't lighting the world on fire, he's shown that he's tallented and he's more talented then the other options (considering Hudler won't/shouldn't be here long term). I think if Bennett has a winger like Drouin, they'd both benefit and their production would increase. Right now, Bennett makes his line mates better but this team needs someone to make Bennett better and they don't have that.

If we had a top prospect who we were going to trade, would you accept a deal like the one you're offering because I'm almost positive another team would give up more than just fringe prospects, something a good player will have to be included.

Oh, absolutely not. I'd be ticked. But, Drouin in a TB uniform is playing in the AHL currently and demanding out. Despite Yzerman's firm stance, I don't think he'll be returning what he demands.



As mentioned above, I don't think that we win this at all. We just don't have pieces they'd really want that we can truely afford to give up. We have to think that Drouin could continue to amount to nothing, and losing a valuable piece right now could be a tragedy.

[Poe969]

??? I have no idea what that is or what it's supposed to mean...

Of course he won't get what he's asking for (not demanding) and I don't think GM's usually do get what they originally ask for (unless dealing with Chia it seems). He'll get more than some think and less than others think but he'll still get a good return just maybe not great.

The Flames sit 26th overall and lack offense. If Gaudreau goes down, so does this teams offense. This team needs another threat and Drouin has the potential to add that. If the team stays the way it is and keeps doing what it's doing, it'll keep get what it's been getting. This team needs to improve and Drouin would be an improvement to our team. I don't think he's worth giving up a lot for but he's worth giving up something for.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I see Drouin as a player that slots into this team thst desperately needs too 6 wingers and helps them today and in the future. He is a .44ppg in the NHL and did that playing bottom 2 lines on the deepest forward group in the league. He isn't meshing with the coach so maybe coming to a new team he takes off? It is a risk I would be fine with Treliving making.

Drouin did not score those points playing bottom six. He scored most of those points playing top six. He skated with Stamkos and Callahan and then with Namestnikov and Kucherov. It is not like Drouin was playing with scrubs.

Just have to add, Drouin is not some big time scorer. 6 goals for his career. 6 goals doesn't replace Backlund let alone Gaudreau.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The Flames sit 26th overall and lack offense.

This seems to be a common misconception. The Flames currently are ranked #15 in the league in goals for, and that's with a horrible PP. If they had even average PP production they'd be top 10 in goals scored in the league. The powerplay looks like it's starting to roll, and with the possible emergence of a legit second line I think that's the least of their concerns.

Their biggest problem has been keeping the puck out of their net.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Poe969

??? I have no idea what that is or what it's supposed to mean...

Of course he won't get what he's asking for (not demanding) and I don't think GM's usually do get what they originally ask for (unless dealing with Chia it seems). He'll get more than some think and less than others think but he'll still get a good return just maybe not great.

The Flames sit 26th overall and lack offense. If Gaudreau goes down, so does this teams offense. This team needs another threat and Drouin has the potential to add that. If the team stays the way it is and keeps doing what it's doing, it'll keep get what it's been getting. This team needs to improve and Drouin would be an improvement to our team. I don't think he's worth giving up a lot for but he's worth giving up something for.

What I think will actually happen is 29 GMs offering what a floundering prospect demanding out is worth to them -- then 1 GM that thinks Drouin will thrive under him and offers what a productive Drouin is worth.

Fingers crossed it's not Treliving. Because, you're right. It will likely take what you're suggesting to compete with another offer.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by heep223

This seems to be a common misconception. The Flames currently are ranked #15 in the league in goals for, and that's with a horrible PP. If they had even average PP production they'd be top 10 in goals scored in the league. The powerplay looks like it's starting to roll, and with the possible emergence of a legit second line I think that's the least of their concerns.

Their biggest problem has been keeping the puck out of their net.

The misconception is because we are scoring at a decent rate we have a decent group of forwards. 4 of the Flames top 9 scorers are on the blueline. We only have 3 forwards on pace for 20 goals and Bennett put himself in the mix by nearly doubling his goal total in one game.

Keeping picks out of the net was a massive problem at the start of the year but they had cooled down since Ramo figured it out and players like Gio and Hamilton settled in.

The Flames offense is driven by the blueline but with better forwards this team could be a top 3 offensive team in the league.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by heep223

This seems to be a common misconception. The Flames currently are ranked #15 in the league in goals for, and that's with a horrible PP. If they had even average PP production they'd be top 10 in goals scored in the league. The powerplay looks like it's starting to roll, and with the possible emergence of a legit second line I think that's the least of their concerns.

Their biggest problem has been keeping the puck out of their net.

Yeah. My #1 target would still be Hamonic.

[Poe969]

And I have 100% confidence that Treliving wouldn't give up valuable assets for "magic beans" (Drouin is all about potential). In the Hamilton deal, he gave up a lot but he got a lot back and I don't see any reason to think he'd give up more than what's reasonable.

I just think defining what's "reasonable" is the issue. As I've pointed out, as good as Backlund is, I just don't think he's enough to win us games so I'd include him in a deal.

[Poe969]

What Vinny said.

This team's offense is coming from the blue line, the team needs forwards who can score. The goals against has a lot to do with sub par goaltending.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dustyanddaflames

It appears from some of these offers, some are forgetting others are bidding on Drouin as well. Yzerman isn't only negotiating with the Flames, if at all.

Calgary shouldn't be bidding against other teams. They should, if they even want him, bid what he's worth and no more. If another team outbids that, then in the Flames' eyes, they've overpaid.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Split98

...to re-iterate, I'm NOT saying Drouin is just Schremp in less ugly clothing. Just offering that Drouin has, at this point, shown as much as Schremp had...

Good god, no. Drouin has shown demonstrably much more now than Schremp ever did. I have been quite forthcoming about my own feelings, that Drouin is likely not an elite level NHL offensive player-in-the-making. Having said that, he is a million times better a player than Schremp, who was terrible.

[polak]

Take it for what it's worth but the Yahoo app on my phone says that this trade will happen within the next day.

[Atodaso]

Originally Posted by polak

Take it for what it's worth but the Yahoo app on my phone says that this trade will happen within the next day.

And they also mention how Minnesota wants him and the return would center around Dumba.

[PeteMoss]

Schremp was a late first rounder, Drouin was 3rd overall. If he wasn't picked the Oilers (and they didn't have fans overrated him) - no one here would remember the guy.

They aren't similar in upside at all.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Good god, no. Drouin has shown demonstrably much more now than Schremp ever did. I have been quite forthcoming about my own feelings, that Drouin is likely not an elite level NHL offensive player-in-the-making. Having said that, he is a million times better a player than Schremp, who was terrible.

In hindsite, absolutely.

Again, this was NOT meant as a direct comparison. But I don't think you can 100% say that the two are mutually exclusive from one another.

But in his first pro year he put up 53 points in 69 games in the AHL
His second pro year he put up 76 points in 78 games in the AHL

Absolutely no translation to the NHL, but the talk was that he has the potential to do so.

Drouin put up 32 points in 70 games for the Lighting last year, so more of a translation than Shremp was able to put together but not a top prospect that will produce on our second line by any means.

I think if Shremp and Drouin were drafted in the same year, we'd be talking that Schremp is being seasoned in the AHL for a big breakout more than we'd be talking about Drouin.