2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Ashasx]

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[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Would you trade two 1st round picks for a year of Lindy?

Because if what you say is true and the Flames don't extend him, and lose him, that's what you've done. You lose Lindy and the picks you'd have got for him for a year of production.

Basically, think of all our pending UFAs and next year's batch as rentals. What would you realistically get for them now. Imagine you lose them all. Would you pay what you would have received to keep them the remainder of this season or through to the end of next as applicable?

Look back to last season.
If we could have brought in a Lindholm -esque player with another year of control at $2.4 million/year, I absolutely would have been okay trading 2 firsts.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

it was the complete opposite

I thought his reply was absolutely not.... then he states the only way I look at any of that is if if helps in the long run

(i.e. no rental, )

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Patrick Roy was a 19 year old mid-season call up in 1985-86 and won the Cup. Is Serge Savard a nobody?

According to Wikipedia Roy took over the starting job when Steve Penney got hurt. So Roof-Daddy isn't wrong in that sense.

Fleury also played 138 NHL games and 5 playoff games before the Penguins' Cup winning season.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Teroy

I wonder if you were referring to yourself? This team has been struggling for years.

"I dOn'T CarE wHaT iT cOsts Get RId oF aLl tHa pLayas On dA teaMM!!"

rofl

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Nobody? Really?

Let's see...

Patrick Roy was a 19 year old mid-season call up in 1985-86 and won the Cup. Is Serge Savard a nobody?

Marc Andre Fleury was a 20 year old mid-season call up in 2005-06 and won a Cup a couple seasons later. Is Craig Patrick a nobody?

Not saying Wolf is a Roy or a Fleury. But 21 year old goalies do get called up.

And nobody (see what I did there?) said Wolf or anyone else had to completely replace Markstrom/Vladar. But you try something when it is clear the season is going sideways. And that was clear to most of us months ago.



Let me know when you actually produce anything resembling hockey analysis worth reading. Until then, have fun hammering those shingles.

Oh good, some really solid examples from 20 and 40 years ago lol

And two of them.....over a 40 year period.

pwned amirite?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by flambers

I thought his reply was absolutely not.... then he states the only way I look at any of that is if if helps in the long run

(i.e. no rental, )

My bad, I misread the context of the post I quoted

[GreenLantern2814]

I haven’t seen “pwned” written in easily 10 years.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Look back to last season.
If we could have brought in a Lindholm -esque player with another year of control at $2.4 million/year, I absolutely would have been okay trading 2 firsts.

No doubt! I'm not on either side of the debate, just proposing a different way of looking at it.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Oh good, some really solid examples from 20 and 40 years ago lol

And two of them.....over a 40 year period.

And one had won the Calder Cup the year before, the other played a whole season in the AHL before getting called up partway through the next season. I have no dog in this fight but it was apples to oranges anyway. Personally I'd like to see Wolf stay where he is for at least this year

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1631011974413963265

Hmmm maybe I’m reading to much into this but sure sounds like the coach is going to have some say on what happens in the next couple days

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Oh good, some really solid examples from 20 and 40 years ago lol

And two of them.....over a 40 year period.

pwned amirite?

Matt Murray was 21 years old when he was called up from the Pen's AHL team, and he helped turn their season around and won two straight Stanley Cups. He played 13 regular season games before he played 21 playoff games.

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1631021569349947395

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But he can be extended this summer. Is the return in the summer nothing? Treliving can't push it like Gaudreau again, but until he says no, I want to test free agency, you can't say for sure he doesn't want to re-sign either.

Retain salary in the summer you might have more teams looking and you could trade to a team that finishes lower in the standings too and get a better pick. Carolina is pretty good this year?

I also like targeting an older team for a future first like Pittsburgh or target a cap restricted team for some young RFAs

At the deadline, teams are loading up and trading picks and those picks are late picks. Lindholm is too good IMO to care about getting a couple late picks.

Lindholm is also being labeled as someone that has yet to elevate his team. lol what Flame really has taken his team to the later rounds of the playoffs? Lewis and Lucic are really they only ones that have so should we just dump everyone because they haven't won in the playoffs? St Louis and Washington had a bunch of players like that before they won.

Not disagreeing with you, and I am not saying trade him or don't. I'm suggesting that whatever time Lindy has left as a Flame should not be thought of as a sunk cost.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Hmmm maybe I’m reading to much into this but sure sounds like the coach is going to have some say on what happens in the next couple days

The dude has been openly critical about the lack of skill on the team.

I get that the media is all "Treliving and Sutter fight over juice boxes every day", but what if they're actually aligned on this thing going forward?

Sutter knows skill, and he knows this team doesn't have it. He has spoken recently about Colorado's long journey to get where they are...if I were to read between the lines, I'd say Sutter knows what this team needs to do and it's nothing short-term.

I love the idea of a big-picture rebuild with Treliving and Sutter working together on it. I'd say it's the best case scenario.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Matt Murray was 21 years old when he was called up from the Pen's AHL team, and he helped turn their season around and won two straight Stanley Cups. He played 13 regular season games before he played 21 playoff games.

Matt Murray was given the reigns because MAF was injured and then he ran with it, and I said if the Flames had an injury they should call Wolf up (and they obviously would). They aren't calling him up to replace a healthy starter who has a history of being a top goalie just because he's struggling and telling him to take over and save their season. That's too much pressure. No one would do that but a simpleton fan.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The dude has been openly critical about the lack of skill on the team.

I get that the media is all "Treliving and Sutter fight over juice boxes every day", but what if they're actually aligned on this thing going forward?

Sutter knows skill, and he knows this team doesn't have it. He has spoken recently about Colorado's long journey to get where they are...if I were to read between the lines, I'd say Sutter knows what this team needs to do and it's nothing short-term.

I love the idea of a big-picture rebuild with Treliving and Sutter working together on it.

I’d prefer Sutter was nowhere near personelle decisions into the future. As a GM he was horrible. Stick to coaching.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

"I dOn'T CarE wHaT iT cOsts Get RId oF aLl tHa pLayas On dA teaMM!!"

rofl

Is that a yes?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by bluejays

I’d prefer Sutter was nowhere near personelle decisions into the future. As a GM he was horrible. Stick to coaching.

That's what I meant, to be clear.

Sutter is the identity behind the bench who sets the expectations on effort, structure, and how to be a Champion.

Treliving drives all personnel decisions through the lense of the big picture and delivering the long-term sustainable skill base that Sutter needs to be able to mold a Championship quality team out of.

That'd be perfect. No short cuts.

The Flames are also in a good spot to actually do this too. Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Toffoli, Backlund - these are good players to be able to kick off a rebuild with. They should be able to pull a massive amount of assets to get this team back on track with.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Is that a yes?

"tHe teAM hAs beEn strUggLing For YeaRs!!"

*finished with 111 points last year but was forced to switch up their core


Like I said, tough season brings out the boneheads in droves.