2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Trading Toffoli makes too much sense to me, Coronato can replace him next year. You can incentivize Coronato to sign as there would be a spot for him and you get assets for Toffoli

Sounds like getting him games this season once his college team is out and (I'm guessing) burning a year of ELC is what he wants. I hope we do it.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Naitix

Trading Toffoli makes too much sense to me, Coronato can replace him next year. You can incentivize Coronato to sign as there would be a spot for him and you get assets for Toffoli

I agree. If there is a strong market for him that will return a first round pick + A-level prospect/Multiple B-level prospects, then it’s probably a good move. Hate to see him go as he has been a good player but it might be the best move you can make at this point.


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[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Huberdeau's underlying impacts have never been elite, even when he was scoring 100 points.

There is no way this organization should be committing $27 million to 3 forwards who will all be over 30 by the time Lindholm's next contract kicks in. It's absolutely insane. The Flames can't let this happen again.

And the cap may not be going up as much as people think. Sports broadcasters falling apart in the US. That will have an impact.

Maybe Huberdeau was overrated, but he is still close to elite. You can pay him and Lindholm. What you can't do is have a 3rd line that makes more money this season than any other line.

Throw in Lucic on the 4th line and your are paying 4 players in the bottom 6 $4.9M+.

What would we get for Lindholm from Carolina? 2 firsts? Those are probably picks out of the top 25 of the draft. Could be nothing.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He didn't say they are bad. He said they aren't elite, and he's right. You can't commit that money for such middling on-ice impact.

Gotta think they just really need to sell at this point. Worst case scenario probably is they run it back next year again and have a bounce back from Markstrom. If they are locked in a secure playoff position, they WON'T be able to sell any of their upcoming UFAs but rather commit to the same group again long term so that they don't walk for nothing.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Lindholm is a guy you can build around too and because he does not put up huge points his contract could be decent. Bergeron was under paid his whole career. Not just because he's nice and took discounts either. He always has been undervalued.

If we could land a top 5 pick to draft a Lindholm replacement, fine move him. That is not happening. This team is not blowing it up even though some come on here and say that is the best option. I like the option but it is not happening. Some are married to one path and one path only, there are more than 1 way to fix the team and some options are more realistic to what actually might happen.

But some come on here, trade everyone!! Don't hold your breath.

I agree that he is worth that to the Flames (and Flames fans) for about another 6 months. They key is his current contract. As we get closer to next year's deadline that incentive wears off and he becomes just a rental as he'll feel it is better to test the FA market, and most teams will wait for FA. IMO.

Also, highly likely a top 5 pick cracks the roster right away.

So if you can get a cost controlled impact player in the draft, why trade that guy for Lindy? What has he done to elevate himself from a young star. Nothing really. No deep playoff runs or other intangibles unfortunately.

[gvitaly]

Everyone is talking about keeping Lindholm, or any other player for that matter, what makes you think that he would want to stay? I simply don't see the appeal for players to stay in Calgary after this season.

That's the least fun I've seen a team have in a while. Imagine putting in the work and still losing the majority of your games, being unable to comeback when trailing after 40. Letting first shots/chances in a quarter of the games etc.

I think management should already do their best to find out which players they would be able to extend in the off-season and at what cap number. Otherwise they should use the Carolina approach that cap space and assets are more valuable than an overpaid player.

[Pickle Juice]

I know people won't like this one, but in my opinion Mikael Backlund makes the most sense to trade at this point. I just don't see a way where his value on the trade market gets any higher then it is today. He is having a great year on the 3rd line which is ultimately where he probably should have been a while ago.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Maybe Huberdeau was overrated, but he is still close to elite. You can pay him and Lindholm. What you can't do is have a 3rd line that makes more money this season than any other line.

Throw in Lucic on the 4th line and your are paying 4 players in the bottom 6 $4.9M+.

What would we get for Lindholm from Carolina? 2 firsts? Those are probably picks out of the top 25 of the draft. Could be nothing.

Would you trade two 1st round picks for a year of Lindy?

Because if what you say is true and the Flames don't extend him, and lose him, that's what you've done. You lose Lindy and the picks you'd have got for him for a year of production.

Basically, think of all our pending UFAs and next year's batch as rentals. What would you realistically get for them now. Imagine you lose them all. Would you pay what you would have received to keep them the remainder of this season or through to the end of next as applicable?

[mile]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1631011974413963265

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Everyone is talking about keeping Lindholm, or any other player for that matter, what makes you think that he would want to stay? I simply don't see the appeal for players to stay in Calgary after this season.

That's the least fun I've seen a team have in a while. Imagine putting in the work and still losing the majority of your games, being unable to comeback when trailing after 40. Letting first shots/chances in a quarter of the games etc.

I think management should already do their best to find out which players they would be able to extend in the off-season and at what cap number. Otherwise they should use the Carolina approach that cap space and assets are more valuable than an overpaid player.

If Lindholm does not want to stay, that is different. Maybe Treliving already knows something and if he doesn't think he can keep him then sure move him.

[Dion]

Quick might be traded again

Frank Seravalli: Let’s start with the Columbus Blue Jackets and they’ve got a few irons in the fire. Jonathan Quick as we reported last night flew back to Los Angeles with the team and did not remain in Winnipeg to fly to Columbus. We’re told that Quick is currently in a holding pattern, the Blue Jackets are trying to facilitate to another playoff team. The goalie market has now opened up a little bit with Korpisalo moving.

So, that provides the Blue Jackets, even if it’s for a late-round pick as they aren’t worried about the return, they just want to try and do right by Jonathan Quick and send him toward a playoff team. You know he goes from a playoff-bound Kings team, the only team he’s ever known, to the 32nd-placed team in the league for the final six weeks of his contract. That’s certainly a tough pill to swallow and I’m sure Quick and his camp are regrouping on Wednesday.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl...9d580a0f&ei=13

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Nobody is going to call up a 21 year old goalie with less than 100 pro games under his belt to replace a guy who finished top 3 in Vezina voting last year and say "go ahead kid, save our season". Not unless there is an injury.

Nobody? Really?

Let's see...

Patrick Roy was a 19 year old mid-season call up in 1985-86 and won the Cup. Is Serge Savard a nobody?

Marc Andre Fleury was a 20 year old mid-season call up in 2005-06 and won a Cup a couple seasons later. Is Craig Patrick a nobody?

Not saying Wolf is a Roy or a Fleury. But 21 year old goalies do get called up.

And nobody (see what I did there?) said Wolf or anyone else had to completely replace Markstrom/Vladar. But you try something when it is clear the season is going sideways. And that was clear to most of us months ago.

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Simpleton's gonna simpleton.

Let me know when you actually produce anything resembling hockey analysis worth reading. Until then, have fun hammering those shingles.

[Mass_nerder]

Quick has been awful this season, is 37 years old, and has a call hit of $5.8 million.
Who is paying anything for that?? Did the Kings retain anything on his contract?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Would you trade two 1st round picks for a year of Lindy?

Because if what you say is true and the Flames don't extend him, and lose him, that's what you've done. You lose Lindy and the picks you'd have got for him for a year of production.

Basically, think of all our pending UFAs and next year's batch as rentals. What would you realistically get for them now. Imagine you lose them all. Would you pay what you would have received to keep them the remainder of this season or through to the end of next as applicable?

But he can be extended this summer. Is the return in the summer nothing? Treliving can't push it like Gaudreau again, but until he says no, I want to test free agency, you can't say for sure he doesn't want to re-sign either.

Retain salary in the summer you might have more teams looking and you could trade to a team that finishes lower in the standings too and get a better pick. Carolina is pretty good this year?

I also like targeting an older team for a future first like Pittsburgh or target a cap restricted team for some young RFAs

At the deadline, teams are loading up and trading picks and those picks are late picks. Lindholm is too good IMO to care about getting a couple late picks.

Lindholm is also being labeled as someone that has yet to elevate his team. lol what Flame really has taken his team to the later rounds of the playoffs? Lewis and Lucic are really they only ones that have so should we just dump everyone because they haven't won in the playoffs? St Louis and Washington had a bunch of players like that before they won.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Huberdeau has too long of a track record to say he's not elite. Something is clearly wrong with him this year but he's got the skills to do damage. Everyone thought Jeff Skinner was the worst player in the NHL and now he's having a career best season and will drop 30 goals again.

Huberdeau has at least several 80-90 point seasons still left in him. Just a matter of figuring out how to extract them. I don't think it starts with stapling him to Kadri though.

But Huberdeau has basically played with everyone on the team this season and chemistry has not come easy. Kadri is probably the only option left at this point that doesn’t take away from elsewhere. Toffoli and Lindholm easily lead the team in scoring and have been the most productive duo this season. Backlund looked good with Huberdeau in their short stint together, but not good enough to break up currently the best line on the team. So Kadri at the moment is the best option by default.

For me though, it comes down to Jonathan’s work ethic. There’s a big difference when Huberdeau is fully engaged vs not. Very much like what we saw last night from him or against the Rangers; when he’s fully committed to winning puck battles and 50/50s, he can make plays that no one else on the team can make. Like the play he made last night where he won a 50/50 loose puck and then used his vision and passing skills to create a 3 on 2 scoring chance. That’s the type of effort he needs to bring every night, not occasionally.

He has the playmaking ability to make his linemates better, so if he starts to build his game around his work ethic, then the scoring chances should come regardless of who he’s playing with.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1631011974413963265

Finally a journalist who will ask the right questions. Not sure what Sutter answered but it’s the right question to ask.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Man so many fans are just plain idiots lol

It's never more glaringly obvious than when the team is struggling

I wonder if you were referring to yourself? This team has been struggling for years.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Finally a journalist who will ask the right questions. Not sure what Sutter answered but it’s the right question to ask.

Seem like Darryl’s ok with something that helps long term over a quick fix

[flambers]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Finally a journalist who will ask the right questions. Not sure what Sutter answered but it’s the right question to ask.

My guess Sutter response was around should the Flames look at a "rental"

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Dion

Quick might be traded again



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl...9d580a0f&ei=13

The way this season has gone I wouldn't be too surprised if Daryl wants his old goalie back and we trade Vladar to make space for Wolf next year.