2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by cannon7

No one other than Anaheim wanted him last offseason. What could have possibly changed for arguably the most overrated defenceman in the NHL?

for 7M

lots of teams would have wanted him for less money

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames can eat half of what's left, Oilers already retaining

Lucic actually played well last night

Yup my bad. Flames can eat cap to make it happen.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This season is trending to be one of Kadri's best season's of his career despite not really forming any chemistry with his wingers. He's been exactly as advertised so not sure why anyone would be down on him as IMO he's been far more noticeable than Lindholm who's been pretty quiet this season as a lot of his points have been due to having Toffoli on his wing who's been by far the Flames best forward this season.

I can't speak for others but my expectation for Kadri was in that 50-60 point range not the 87 point player he was last year.

Fill that 2C hole allowing Backlund and Lindholm some rest and better matchups.

What I didn't expect was a complete ghost on the ice his points are fine but he was supposed to bring some swagger, grit some hate and be hard to play against by being agitating and play with heart. He did this previously its been missing the entire season.

Maybe I didn't watch close enough but I also did not expect one of the worst puck hogs I have ever seen and someone with the worst vision on the team and utilizing his teammates. Its pretty bad and his play is holding back the 4 other players on the ice.

Have you ever seen a teammate literally steal the puck off the stick of someone winding up and go for a skate like an idiot and turn it over at the blueline?

I always had that swagger or cocky demeanor to him but maybe the cup went to his head and he thinks he is the whole show, but its is hurting the team.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

So much talk about puck luck lately.
If you're relying on getting better puck luck to be a good team, then you're not a good team.

Maybe you are getting puck luck. Maybe if you were not, you'd be missing the net instead of hitting the post.

For the most part, I think it comes down to good players and good teams making their own luck. I bet other teams have just as many slightly missed chances and posts but they make enough other plays to make up for the ones that didn't work out.
How many goals against have nothing to do with the other team getting puck luck but instead are caused by boneheaded plays and bad goaltending?

Puck luck is a myth and used to excuse an under performing team.

Nah ...

It's a crutch if you just exclaim "we're unlucky!" without looking into whether you are or not.

There are a lot of stats that have traditionally reverted to the mean historically that just haven't for Calgary this year.

Great teams can beat xGF% splits and poor teams can come up short, but once you're outside a certain band it gets less and less likely to continue and when it does ... just not your year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Plus Treliving has a history of doing some damn fine trade work on draft day

I won't be upset if nothing happens before the deadline, none of the guys worth anything expire this year anyway

There are maybe 5 teams that think they can do damage this PO, and they are buyers with limited cap room (so retention needed) and their draft capital is lesser.

Off season there will be 15-20 teams who think they have a shot and are a Lindholm or Tanev away from a long run. Hell there may be teams that think they can cause a big Markstrom rebound, like when Vegas took Fleury for free and he took them to the finals in year 1 and won the Vezina in year 3 (at age 35).

[dustygoon]

Trading a long term guy like Backlund who is pulling more than his weight is a mistake.

We will be YEARS looking for a centre like Lindholm.

I think Hannifin is still getting better.

Other than those three, I could care less who goes.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Ashes

I'd have to agree, Flames are squandering the TDL if they just stand pat and do nothing. It's pretty obvious that goaltending and timely scoring have been the biggest issues for the team this season and I don't see those being addressed at the deadline, but doing nothing seems like a big missed opportunity given these prices we're seeing.

Guys like Toffoli, Hanafin, Tanev, Backlund, Lindholm who are potentially available and would net a great return in a player for player trade, or for draft picks/up and coming prospects. I'd love to see the Flames increase their draft capital for the summer personally, and that extra cap space would be very valuable and can still be used in Free Agency in the summer and/or if Tre makes any trades for players carrying larger cap hits that space would also come in handy. Being this mediocre all season and not doing anything at the TDL would be a bad look though, and I have faith Tre will make some sort of move by Friday.

That Boston game proved (to me at least) that this season is not meant to be, so make some changes while the market is hot and come back with better goaltending from Markstrom/Vladar and a few new faces next season and a few more promising kids in the prospect pool!

I'd say they are squandering the trade deadline if they're not entertaining selling some assets.

Can't really say they squandered anything if they don't do anything as we don't know what they turned down.

[Sylvanfan]

Moving Klingberg could still be tough. With a 7 million cap hit, he's a guy who may need a second team retaining salary to make it work, and I think he had a salary of 7 million too meaning that he's still owed a decent amount of money. So retaining the second 50% on Klingberg would cost like 350k...so I'm not sure if teams want to spend that to buy a 4th round pick.

As for the Flames what do they have for expiring contracts? Very little. If there's a market for Lewis and Lucic will take a trade you can try that. But what are teams giving to get 12th-13th forwards?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There are maybe 5 teams that think they can do damage this PO, and they are buyers with limited cap room (so retention needed) and their draft capital is lesser.

Off season there will be 15-20 teams who think they have a shot and are a Lindholm or Tanev away from a long run. Hell there may be teams that think they can cause a big Markstrom rebound, like when Vegas took Fleury for free and he took them to the finals in year 1 and won the Vezina in year 3 (at age 35).

And one less playoff run of control with those players

It’s a balance for sure but 2 playoff runs Vs 1 is important for value as well

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Trading a long term guy like Backlund who is pulling more than his weight is a mistake.

We will be YEARS looking for a centre like Lindholm.

I think Hannifin is still getting better.

Other than those three, I could care less who goes.

Lindholm also has 1 80 point season in his career. What will his contract be if he wanted to stay? I think around $9M but it could be slightly less. Is that really that bad?

I disagree on Backlund and Hanifin though. At some point you need to take a step back to re-tool. The time to move Backlund is now, because he is still very good

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Someone doesn't watch Wranglers games...



Yes, we agree. Treliving has half a brain.

After the Edmonton series, you give Markstrom half a season, then you start making phone calls. I wasn't coming down on Markstrom at all the first half of the season, but when it became clear the Flames had a problem, that's when a move should have been made. GMs with more than half a brain make proactive moves, not reactive ones. And the proactive ones tend to eat the reactive ones' lunch.



Yep, that's all I've said about Treliving. Haven't posted a mountain of reasons to fire him over the years.

Apologists gonna apologize. And call people names, because... well, that's all they got.

Nobody is going to call up a 21 year old goalie with less than 100 pro games under his belt to replace a guy who finished top 3 in Vezina voting last year and say "go ahead kid, save our season". Not unless there is an injury.

Simpleton's gonna simpleton.

[dino7c]

we are also assuming they are getting offers that are blowing them out of the water for those players...who knows

What teams even have firsts or high end prospects left at this point? not to mention cap space. You may very well do better around the draft with some of these guys

[Ferarri]

I have a feeling Tre is a lame duck GM at this point and ownership doesn’t want him making moves. Could be waiting until they get a new guy in the off-season if he leaves. Who knows what that will look like but it’s been awfully quiet and this is my best guess as to what is going on behind the scenes.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dino7c

we are also assuming they are getting offers that are blowing them out of the water for those players...who knows

What teams even have firsts or high end prospects left at this point? not to mention cap space. You may very well do better around the draft with some of these guys

I actually agree with you now, but it irks me that you've been saying essentially the same thing about this for a month. If we had done this a month ago, we would likely be happy campers with the amount of value we extracted.

$10 says that you'll be saying we should give them until TDL when the draft rolls around.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

And one less playoff run of control with those players

It’s a balance for sure but 2 playoff runs Vs 1 is important for value as well

Depends on the team. Again, it’s 5 teams with super limited cap space we are talking about. Who out there can fit Lindholm in, who also needs a 2C that badly? The Avs are the only candidate I can think of. Maybe Vegas.

[Teroy]

I don't care what it would take to get rid of Huberdeau, Markstrom or Kadri; just do it.

[Roof-Daddy]

Man so many fans are just plain idiots lol

It's never more glaringly obvious than when the team is struggling

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Ferarri

I have a feeling Tre is a lame duck GM at this point and ownership doesn’t want him making moves. Could be waiting until they get a new guy in the off-season if he leaves. Who knows what that will look like but it’s been awfully quiet and this is my best guess as to what is going on behind the scenes.

Nah, they gave Feaster (the ultimate lame duck GM) keys to the castle.

If they really didn't think BT could do the job they'd have fired him. Would cost nothing to buy him out at this stage with months left on his contract.

BT is a pro. Even if he knows he will be leaving he'll be Flames until the last second before his contract expires, IMO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Man so many fans are just plain idiots lol

It's never more glaringly obvious than when the team is struggling

https://frinkiac.com/video/S05E02/2j...f0Sw46tBU=.gif

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

Lindholm also has 1 80 point season in his career. What will his contract be if he wanted to stay? I think around $9M but it could be slightly less. Is that really that bad?

I disagree on Backlund and Hanifin though. At some point you need to take a step back to re-tool. The time to move Backlund is now, because he is still very good

Yes?

How could this team possibly win with $27 million committed annually to three forwards who are not elite?