Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What's the presumed process here? At some point they'll have arrest warrants out, right? Or is their some stupid immunity thing?

RCMP investigates based on recommendations given to them, eventually they decide to file charges, but that could be years down the line. In the meantime we have sitting MPs who may potentially be foreign agents which is a grave concern. MPs don't have immunity (which is why NSICOP members are unable to divulge the names despite knowing them as they can be prosecuted).

There has been precedent though this was prior to the constitution.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Rose_(politician)

Also thanks for joining the discussion.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Firebot

In the meantime we have sitting MPs who may potentially be foreign agents which is a grave concern.

Is there actual evidence of this?

There’s a very big difference between a foreign country(whether it be government or citizens) trying to help get representatives elected because they prefer their policies and that representative actively working on behalf of that country.

I’m just asking because if there is I’d like to know about it. The precedent example you gave relates to someone who was actively working for another country so I’m not sure it would be relevant unless that ends up being the case here.

[Fuzz]

Ya, so a sitting MP could be continuing to sacrifice Canada to foreign powers, and we just...let it happen?



Also, not sure why I needed to be thanked, I've been reading it and had no questions/comments.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Is there actual evidence of this?

There’s a very big difference between a foreign country(whether it be government or citizens) trying to help get representatives elected because they prefer their policies and that representative actively working on behalf of that country.

I’m just asking because if there is I’d like to know about it. The precedent example you gave relates to someone who was actively working for another country so I’m not sure it would be relevant unless that ends up being the case here.

https://www.nsicop-cpsnr.ca/reports/...terference.pdf

55. Some elected officials, however, began wittingly assisting foreign state actors soon after
their election. [*** Three sentences were deleted to remove injurious or privileged information.
The sentences described examples of members of Parliament who worked to influence their
colleagues on India’s behalf and proactively provided confidential information to Indian officials.

This is really the particular point that's extremely concerning. Unnamed MP(s) were aided during the election and provided confidential info to India after the elections.

Note this is new and quite different and separate from the Han Dong situation, these are brand new revelations with term witting participants. While foreign interference from India was referred to a few times recently, this is the first report where we have unnamed MPs known to wittingly provide confidential information to Indian officials.


It's a major big deal.

[CaptainCrunch]

They could at the very least quietly strip them of their access and security clearances based on the report pending an RCMP investigation. They could even do that without naming names.



Then tell them to sit at home and shut up and don't do anything until they are either cleared or formerly charged.

[GGG]

In these situations the appearance of not being compromised is just as important as not being compromised. Suspend with pay and cut access while an investigation takes place.

I think the Cons should announce the suspension of their guys that are involved to force the liberals to act.

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Firebot

https://www.nsicop-cpsnr.ca/reports/...terference.pdf

55. Some elected officials, however, began wittingly assisting foreign state actors soon after
their election. [*** Three sentences were deleted to remove injurious or privileged information.
The sentences described examples of members of Parliament who worked to influence their
colleagues on India’s behalf and proactively provided confidential information to Indian officials.

This is really the particular point that's extremely concerning. Unnamed MP(s) were aided during the election and provided confidential info to India after the elections.

Note this is new and quite different and separate from the Han Dong situation, these are brand new revelations with term witting participants. While foreign interference from India was referred to a few times recently, this is the first report where we have unnamed MPs known to wittingly provide confidential information to Indian officials.


It's a major big deal.

Previously only news/ umors that India had been putting their thumb on the scale to help Pollievre win the leadership had been floating around, this is a pretty big expansion of India's actions. It fits with the profile of Modi's government though,and apparently Modi is a member of Harpers IDU organization.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Duruss

Previously only news/ umors that India had been putting their thumb on the scale to help Pollievre win the leadership had been floating around, this is a pretty big expansion of India's actions. It fits with the profile of Modi's government though,and apparently Modi is a member of Harpers IDU organization.

You have a source?

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

You have a source?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/con...%20on%20Monday.

https://www.baaznews.org/p/cpc-leade...n-interference

https://pressprogress.ca/stephen-har...f-its-website/

https://www.nationalobserver.com/202...stephen-harper

https://archive.is/2023.12.13114944/...adership-race/


Various degree's of reliability to the sources, but the rumors have been around for a few months.

[Monahammer]

It also gives some color to PP's VERY strange double speak on immigration... Saying we need new rules and more stringency then attending indian community events and loudly proclaiming we need more indian immigrants.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaHousi...party_is_anti/

[Ped]

Just kick out all of them and start over.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Duruss

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/con...%20on%20Monday.

https://www.baaznews.org/p/cpc-leade...n-interference

https://pressprogress.ca/stephen-har...f-its-website/

https://www.nationalobserver.com/202...stephen-harper

https://archive.is/2023.12.13114944/...adership-race/


Various degree's of reliability to the sources, but the rumors have been around for a few months.

Some “alleged” interference from China with the conservative leadership race, and again, the Liberals were slow to act - at best.

The liberals really don’t give 2 ####s about foreign interference do they?

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Ped

Just kick out all of them and start over.

It will happen. Next election.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Some “alleged” interference from China with the conservative leadership race, and again, the Liberals were slow to act - at best.

The liberals really don’t give 2 ####s about foreign interference do they?

I'm note sure it's fair to single out their performance of foreign interference like that, insinuating they are somehow handling it worse than most of their other files.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'm note sure it's fair to single out their performance of foreign interference like that, insinuating they are somehow handling it worse than most of their other files.

True.

It’s not that they don’t care, more so just incompetence.

[Fuzz]

That's all I'm saying. So much is attributed to some evil master plan, when it's far more likely they just aren't good at these sorts of things.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's all I'm saying. So much is attributed to some evil master plan, when it's far more likely they just aren't good at things.

Fixed

[Fuzz]

They have been good at some things, like the FN water crisis, legalizing marijuana, respecting diversity, standing up to Russia on Ukraine, championing science over stupidity, and probably many others. So no, not "fixed".

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

They have been good at some things, like the FN water crisis, legalizing marijuana, respecting diversity, standing up to Russia on Ukraine, championing science over stupidity, and probably many others. So no, not "fixed".

Depends on how you define good. For instance, the FN water crisis handling has been marginal at best. They have resolved some of the issues but they also promised to lift all advisories by March 2021 which did not happen. They now think they might be able to lift the advisories some time in 2025 but even that timeline seems to be pretty optimistic.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Depends on how you define good. For instance, the FN water crisis handling has been marginal at best. They have resolved some of the issues but they also promised to lift all advisories by March 2021 which did not happen. They now think they might be able to lift the advisories some time in 2025 but even that timeline seems to be pretty optimistic.

Come on, man. Given the previous lack of action, and the challenges involved, you can't look at the data and claim it hasn't been a tick on the success column:




https://www.sac-isc.gc.ca/eng/150651.../1533317130660


Well you can, but then I'd suspect you of feeling over fact.