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Old 11-13-2025, 09:31 AM   #12321
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Just an offhand observation:

The Eastern Conference is absolutely crazy right now. For instance, the Leafs are in 15th place in the conference, with 17 points. Yet they're just two points back of Philly for a wildcard spot, three points back of Ottawa for a divisional spot, and five points back of Ottawa for first place in the Atlantic. No less than nine teams in the East have points percentages between .530 and .600.

Until they start getting some separation, I don't think anybody in the East is going to be very keen on either buying or selling. I imagine it's liable to be at least another month before we start seeing any significant trade action involving Eastern teams; and probably not until after the Christmas break.
Only item I’d throw in, it’s anyone’s season right now in the east. Could Kadri or Andersson tip them over the edge? Both ultra competitive players with good leadership. I’d bet there would be some teams who at this time sees an opportunity to take a step with the shoring up of RD or 2C
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I am convinced that the reason people are grumbling so much about Kadri and Andersson not being traded yet is that cheering for a bottom team is boring, but trades are fun, and maybe the only interesting thing that will happen with this team before the draft.
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Old 11-13-2025, 10:40 AM   #12323
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I am convinced that the reason people are grumbling so much about Kadri and Andersson not being traded yet is that cheering for a bottom team is boring, but trades are fun, and maybe the only interesting thing that will happen with this team before the draft.
I agree with this. This season what we have the most to look forward to is trading our vets and collecting assets, along with bringing up some prospects from the Wranglers. Maybe some of our colleges sign sign at the end of the year and we get a sneak peak.

Biggest day on the 2026 calendar is the draft where we will see the reward for this lost season. I have had a gut feeling before this season we were going to get McKenna and that feeling has obviously only got stronger with the team performing so badly.
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Old 11-13-2025, 10:40 AM   #12324
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Only item I’d throw in, it’s anyone’s season right now in the east. Could Kadri or Andersson tip them over the edge? Both ultra competitive players with good leadership. I’d bet there would be some teams who at this time sees an opportunity to take a step with the shoring up of RD or 2C
I don't think those teams make their move quite yet. Sometime after Christmas is my bet.
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Old 11-13-2025, 10:42 AM   #12325
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Conroy has to be given enough time to execute a plan. We haven't hit rock bottom yet. Brad left this team in a mess, and Conroy will clean it up.

I like the idea of trading with Detroit, Montreal, and Utah. I can't stand Utah's GM, though.
I don't think we can underestimate just how buggered things were when Treliving left. It was always going to get worse before getting better and need several years to recoup.
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Old 11-13-2025, 10:43 AM   #12326
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My guess is Connie is one of the very few GM's willing to make some moves right now. So many teams aren't sure where they fit just yet, although we are just about at that 20 game mark.

Could see a move here soon as other teams feel they 'need' a certain piece to put them over. With how bad the Flames are, a shakeup in the room might be welcome as well.

Similar to the Lindholm to Van trade, I could see one here in the next few weeks. Andersson, Kadri, Coleman, one or all!
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Kind of a lame argument.

Nearly half the roster that Treliving left behind is gone. Conroy’s had his hands on the wheel for over two years and he was the AGM under Treliving. Surely he had input on drafted players.

Blaming the previous guy doesn’t mean a whole lot.
He sold all of the Trelivings guys for futures and is stuck with the rest that are on borderline immovable contracts.

What exactly do you want him to do? Sharangovich is really the only miss so far for Conroy. Andersson, Kadri, and Coleman will all be moved but there's really no rush if the returns aren't there.

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Old 11-13-2025, 11:07 AM   #12328
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Kind of a lame argument.

Nearly half the roster that Treliving left behind is gone. Conroy’s had his hands on the wheel for over two years and he was the AGM under Treliving. Surely he had input on drafted players.

Blaming the previous guy doesn’t mean a whole lot.
It took two years for Connie to get out of the mess Treliving put them in, plus he Tre didn't help with the weak prospect pool trading away all those picks over the years.

I'd say it's really short sighted not to extend Conroy at this point. When management hired him, they should have known there's going to be growing pains over the next few seasons, and I assume they were committed to his vision. To cut Connie off midway through his rebuild is not a smartway to operate IMO.
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Old 11-13-2025, 11:18 AM   #12329
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Laughton on IR
Matthews out for at least a week
Kampf contract being mutually terminated
Stolarz out for a bit, Woll not ready
Tanev out on LTIR

Current goalie tandem is Hildeby/Akhtyamov

One has to think Toronto may want to make a move or two?
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Old 11-13-2025, 11:31 AM   #12330
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Laughton on IR
Matthews out for at least a week
Kampf contract being mutually terminated
Stolarz out for a bit, Woll not ready
Tanev out on LTIR

Current goalie tandem is Hildeby/Akhtyamov

One has to think Toronto may want to make a move or two?
Tre has basically traded all of the Leafs assets. 2026 first, 2nd gone, 2027 first and 3rd gone, Minten gone. He took his shot last year and I don’t see much ability for the Leafs to bring in anything of value this year without subtracting from the roster at the same time. Is Cowan worth much?

I almost think the Leafs may be better served to lean into poor year and keep their 2026 top 5 protected pick and push the firsts traded out to 2027 and 2028

They are in a tough spot
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20281 1st WITHOUT any protection would have to be coming back. Maybe Roberston as well and a prospect. We send over Kirkland/Miromanov to balance out contracts.

I doubt Toronto moves Cowan.
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Old 11-13-2025, 11:40 AM   #12333
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Kind of a lame argument.

Nearly half the roster that Treliving left behind is gone. Conroy’s had his hands on the wheel for over two years and he was the AGM under Treliving. Surely he had input on drafted players.

Blaming the previous guy doesn’t mean a whole lot.
Well, I do think Craig has somewhat intentionally iced a bad team here in an effort to build through the draft, while the messaging from the organization has been more mixed, so if Craig is in trouble it would probably be because of that.
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I think the Flames can do way better for Rasmus than a 2028 1st that could potentially slide to 2029. Tre may be working hard, but I don’t see the Leafs being anywhere near the best offer the Flames will get for Rasmus
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Old 11-13-2025, 11:44 AM   #12335
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Toronto has nothing imo, but I'm not a fan of Cowan as his ceiling to me is very low.
Unless they want to send Matthews or Nylander this way... or Knies, I'd take him too.
We'll also take 2028 2029 and 2030 1st round picks.

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Old 11-13-2025, 11:44 AM   #12336
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20281 1st WITHOUT any protection would have to be coming back. Maybe Roberston as well and a prospect. We send over Kirkland/Miromanov to balance out contracts.

I doubt Toronto moves Cowan.
Whoever they would draft with that pick is not likely to play until at least 2029/30 (if at all). That’s almost not the timeline for futures / picks they should be targeting. If the flames make it out of this rebuild in the next 3-4 years and get back to regular playoff appearances then using the pick as trade bait might be the way to go.
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Old 11-13-2025, 11:53 AM   #12337
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Could they get Ben Danford? Decent RHS D. Or Holinka (RHS forward). As part of a package with a first or so. maybe a contract coming back.
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Cowan's not even that great... all the leafs prospect hype guys even see him as a middle six winger tops. I think if you get him and Danford back for Ras and take on a cap dump that's pretty fair value. Scouting saying Danford looks like a bottom pairing guy as he's not super fast and puck skills are average, so you're probably just getting two depth pieces.
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Old 11-13-2025, 11:56 AM   #12339
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The Leafs only have 2 decent prospects in Cowan and Danford.

Maybe if we could send Sharangovich along with Andersson, but the Leafs have no cap space either. I just don't see Toronto putting together a decent offer.
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Toronto has nothing imo, but I'm not a fan of Cowan as his ceiling to me is very low.
Unless they want to send Matthews or Nylander this way... or Knies, I'd take him too.
We'll also take 2028 2029 and 2030 1st round picks.
They have picks and a GM who has a maniacle need to trade them. They don't have alot of them, but they've got 2026 3rd, 2027 2nd, 2028 1st and 2nd and 3rd (wow!). How far in the future can you trade picks? Get one in 2029 that Treliving doesn't see value in
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