American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

While this justification is great, this mindset is the reason Democrats are always behind.

Bill Maher called it out back in 2018 when referring to Al Franken getting ousted from Congress; "I get it that Al Franken had to become roadkill on the 'zero tolerance highway'... a highway it seems only Democrats have to drive on". They hold themselves to a higher standard than Republicans ever will, and because of it, Republicans always get an advantage. If you let your opponent cheat while not doing it yourself, yeah, they're gonna have an edge.

They need to figure out how to decisively win while also being the adults in the room. Sometimes I wonder if that's possible with the state of the country being what it is.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by calculoso

Shameful
I guess fraud isn’t a disqualifying trait for US government anymore

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/george...ails-1.7015830

A vote to expel Republican lawmaker George Santos from the U.S. House of Representatives failed on Wednesday when fewer than two-thirds of the chamber supported the resolution.

…

But the resolution failed to gain the required two-thirds vote. Supporters could not even gain a simple majority, with the vast majority of Republicans and more than 30 Democrats voting against expelling Santos.

The final vote was 179 for expulsion and 213 against.

Has he been convicted?

Expulsion without conviction seems wrong, IMO.

A suspension until conviction seem better.

Suspend him until there is a verdict.

PS: I can't stand Santos

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Bill Maher called it out back in 2018 when referring to Al Franken getting ousted from Congress; "I get it that Al Franken had to become roadkill on the 'zero tolerance highway'... a highway it seems only Democrats have to drive on". They hold themselves to a higher standard than Republicans ever will, and because of it, Republicans always get an advantage. If you let your opponent cheat while not doing it yourself, yeah, they're gonna have an edge.

They need to figure out how to decisively win while also being the adults in the room. Sometimes I wonder if that's possible with the state of the country being what it is.

The way to win is to enact policies that benefit the working class and then campaign heavily on it. The reaction to the stimulus cheques was mostly positive, outside of the right-wing media sphere. Same with student-loan forgiveness.

The problem for the Democrats is they're still beholden to many corporate donors who would quickly pull their donations if too many of those policies passed. Not to mention the amount of monopolies in the U.S. give corporations an insane amount of power to manipulate the economy and markets when they want to influence changes in government. We're starting to see similar things in Canada as well.

[photon]

Ivanka's "I can't go to court because my kids have school" appeal was denied.

Also the NY judge in the fraud case has expanded the gag order on Trump not discussing the court staff has been expanded to include the lawyers now after Trump's lawyers were bringing up the clerk again.

Hard to think they're not doing this intentionally.. maybe they know they're going to lose so they're trying to create confrontational situations in the hope the judge does something that lets them get a new trial or win an appeal.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Life is tough when you're part of a crime family.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1720200337800204552

please send them donations for legal fees though

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Life is tough when you're part of a crime family.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1720200337800204552

Aw, poor baby. Imagine if she had to live the life of a normal mother - juggling a job, children’s activities, other family obligations. She’s led a privileged, sheltered life and can’t handle a bit of stress.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I'm not defending Ivanka here, BUT

You'd be shocked at the amount of people who are compelled to court and think "yeah I can't go, I have work/school/vacation/etc"

It's f****** court, like they throw you in jail for not attending!

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Life is tough when you're part of a crime family.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1720200337800204552

Just get Zaida to mind the kinder.

[GirlySports]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1721187586268389858

[photon]

Actual elections in the past few years have almost all had dems outperforming vs their previous efforts.. is it just a case that things like abortion aren't reflecting in the polls but impacts turnout?

And one would think that if the current economic situation continues peoples' opinions of the economy should improve in the next year.

The court battles aren't going to be much help, I doubt any will be fully resolved by the election.

Still it is very worrying.

[opendoor]

Also of note from that same poll, a generic Democratic candidate (basically anyone but Biden) outpolls Trump 48 to 40 and leads by 7-10 points in all of the battleground states except for Nevada, where they lead by 3.

I just don't think the American populace has any confidence in Biden, particularly looking forward several years. Particularly given that 71% agreed with the statement "Biden is too old to be an effective President" vs. only 39% for Trump being too old.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I just don't think the American populace has any confidence in Biden, particularly looking forward several years. Particularly given that 71% agreed with the statement "Biden is too old to be an effective President" vs. only 39% for Trump being too old.

Lol, Trump is 77 and just as geriatric as Biden. These people they’re polling are incredibly dumb.

Also none of these early polls will matter if the economy continues to improve.

[opendoor]

Dumb people vote though, and if you're -44 in the "too old" vs. "not too old" question, that's not something that a) is likely to change; and b) something you can ignore.

As for the economy, Biden has had an approval rating in the low 40s for the last 2 years, which has been a period with one of the lowest unemployment rates in history. I don't really see what's going to improve on that front to change people's minds about him.

[curves2000]

What I can't understand about the Biden team and Democrats as a whole is WHY they are pushing so hard for Biden to go another 5 years from now as opposed to finishing up his term?

I don't think his age overall has been as big of a factor as some would have thought at this stage. I don't think he is a drooling old man or anything but I also think he might struggle with some aspects of the job in terms of travel, policy, memory, speech and dealing with the press.

Some of the things like the falls, trips and bicycle accidents might have been blown out of proportion or not.

Considering America is near the finish line on a President at this age, one who hasn't had any significant health issues we are aware, why push that envelope further? He hasn't spent any time in hospital or had any major events while in office. The likelihood that he will be hospitalized for a few events in the near future is much higher. Is this what America and the Democrats want though? The Commander in Chief to be in a hospital room with tight press coverage on what his appearance and health is?

Trump is is also a little too old and crazy to be running as well.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by curves2000

What I can't understand about the Biden team and Democrats as a whole is WHY they are pushing so hard for Biden to go another 5 years from now as opposed to finishing up his term?

I don't think his age overall has been as big of a factor as some would have thought at this stage. I don't think he is a drooling old man or anything but I also think he might struggle with some aspects of the job in terms of travel, policy, memory, speech and dealing with the press.

Some of the things like the falls, trips and bicycle accidents might have been blown out of proportion or not.

Considering America is near the finish line on a President at this age, one who hasn't had any significant health issues we are aware, why push that envelope further? He hasn't spent any time in hospital or had any major events while in office. The likelihood that he will be hospitalized for a few events in the near future is much higher. Is this what America and the Democrats want though? The Commander in Chief to be in a hospital room with tight press coverage on what his appearance and health is?

Trump is is also a little too old and crazy to be running as well.

It doesn’t make any sense to me either. Last time around I think Biden was the only guy to beat Trump. Now I’m starting to think he’s the guy guaranteed to lose to Trump.

[bizaro86]

Biden's age probably makes Harris a factor, as the chance that she ends up taking over goes up quite a bit with another term.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Biden's age probably makes Harris a factor, as the chance that she ends up taking over goes up quite a bit with another term.

I think this is exactly the problem, of course Trump is a risk to not make it either and we don’t know who he will pick as his VP. So that could change things. Would a different t VP running mate shift things for Biden?

[Itse]

I feel like people are ignoring the detail that Biden has been a pretty good president, at least from a Dem perspective. Highly successful economic policies combined with social and infrastructure policies that have also been quite popular in the end. Progressive enough without alienating the rich.

He's also managed to rebuild a lot of international connections after Trump burned all the bridges he could find.

If voters weren't mostly completely clueless, that stuff would matter.

[direwolf]

People also seem to be ignoring the fact that Trump is an unhinged, narcissistic lunatic with fascist tendencies who recently attempted to overthrow an election. You'd think that stuff would matter to American voters.

[FlameOn]

Trumps indicates he will deploy troops to the streets to crush opposition on day one, if he is elected.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...e-second-term/