[Trade] Andersson (50% retained) to Vegas for 27 1st, cond 28 2nd, Whitecloud, Wiebe

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Regardless, trading a prospect they like should have been the Vegas tax.

And now we have to cheer for those pukes to win it all to improve the package.

Eveyone knows the player wants to go there...Flames aren't the ones with leverage to be charging tax. Their offer beat out any rental offer, case closed.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

One reason I don't like this for Vegas is that IMO Hanifin-Andersson were never very effective against Edmonton.

Vegas used to be able to beat Edmonton because of their big mobile defense, with no Pietrangelo, Hague, or Whitecloud that's gone now.

This is very true. That pairing always had a rough go against the Oilers.

[Enoch Root]

“Craig and co did so good, so many picks you can take more risks and it’s okay to miss, our scouts are jealous. And they’ve got a few home runs already not playing pro”

The bolded is a good point. When you have lots of picks to work with, it is easier to go for the high risk - high reward picks, there is less need to play it safe. And we have seen this from the Flames over the last couple years, going for guys like Potter, Mews and Whyttenbach.

You keep taking fliers on guys like that, you're going to hit one or two out of the park.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by 868904

Minten WAS not and is not now a high end prospect. He's a B prospect at best with very pedestrian junior stats. He’s performed well this year but I still have a hard time seeing him being anything more than a 3rd line centre.

Yeah this obsession with Minten being some high end guy is something...my cat called, he wants his name back

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Sec214

I mean does whitecloud for the next couple of seasons at 2.75 or whatever really hurt the kids, no? If he gets bumped he turns into a 6-7 and/or gets moved. He plays hard minute against top players albeit poorly but it’s liveable. He’s a mountain of a man and tough as nails and doesn’t take a lot of #### penalties.

I was more saying a C-level defense prospect is kind of lame, as was Miromanov in the Hanifin deal. What's the point there? It's a position of strength for us organizationally. If you're getting a longshot prospect, get one at a position that we're trying to address. It's a small nitpick but I want Vegas to stress as much as possible over what they have to give up.

Whitecloud is fine. Try him and if it isn't a fit then you can flip him too and hopefully pick up another pick.

[dino7c]

Whitecloud is actually a guy I would want for a playoff run

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

This is why I don't really get the "doing right to your players" thing.

At the end of the day, the player is going to take care of themselves first, before the organization. And the organization should be looking our for itself first rather than making the players happy.

I don't think anyone can be mad at Andersson for choosing to go to free agency. It is a big decision for the next 7 years and there are a lot of factors that go into it. But if I hear about Kadri deciding which 2 teams he is going to choose to go to, I am going to be rolling my eyes and thinking here we go again.

We routinely treat players with loyalty they don't show back.
Unfortunately it may just be the reality of a small market Canadian team though. Players hold the power.
The Flames need to look good to the broader player market to attract future talent, so they play the nice guy and sometimes get left screwed.

They're like the nice guys of the dating world; but I don't think they have what it takes to be the bad boy.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The bolded is a good point. When you have lots of picks to work with, it is easier to go for the high risk - high reward picks, there is less need to play it safe. And we have seen this from the Flames over the last couple years, going for guys like Potter, Mews and Whyttenbach.

You keep taking fliers on guys like that, you're going to hit one or two out of the park.

At the time he retired, Babe Ruth held the record for most home runs in MLB history… and also the most strikeouts. When you take risks, you're going to win more and lose more than if you played it safe, but it's the wins that get you where you need to go.

Otherwise you end up like the cheap Scotsman in the old joke. He bought two lottery tickets and one of them won, but he was utterly glum about it. ‘'Tis this other ticket,’ he said. ‘Why I ever bought it, I canna imagine!’

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Whitecloud is actually a guy I would want for a playoff run

If Dallas sees him the same way we can probably get a decent pick back from them

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

If Dallas sees him the same way we can probably get a decent pick back from them

Edmonton needs him lol

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Edmonton needs him lol

Oh, great. And Edmonton has a pick in 2096 that hasn't been traded away yet!

[Enoch Root]

he's the kind of player Carolina needs.

I also wonder about Tampa

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

he's the kind of player Carolina needs.

I also wonder about Tampa

I would love to deal him to Tampa. Feels like they always overpay for the guy they want

[dino7c]

Edmonton has to pay a 1st
2nd for anyone else

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Eveyone knows the player wants to go there...Flames aren't the ones with leverage to be charging tax. Their offer beat out any rental offer, case closed.

Well I certainly hope it was the best offer on the table, because I think we're a touch too accommodating with our players and giving them exactly what they want.

The problem I could foresee with these two consecutive moves where players got their landing spot is that it sets a precedent where current players that are moved in the coming months or year may think that because Craig has that 'considerate' reputation about him that they can hold out for the top available destination on their list, potentially to the demise of what the team gets in return, like with Hanifin.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Conroy saying the acquisition will not impact playing time for the younger player. Reading between the lines it tells me they intend to flip him. I also would prefer to get a player like Whitecloud over one of the prospects Vegas has. Too early to tell now, but will be interesting to see if he moves the return that comes back and see what our scouts can do with that.

The have 8 D on the roster with Whitecloud added. I know CC said that it won't impact playing time, but the math isn't mathing.

Maybe someone is hurt and is headed to LTIR, who knows.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

The have 8 D on the roster with Whitecloud added. I know CC said that it won't impact playing time, but the math isn't mathing.

Maybe someone is hurt and is headed to LTIR, who knows.

It won't affect anything because they weren't playing many young players anyways. Besides Kuznetsov, not many of the young players are getting a chance to play in the NHL lineup.

Happy they finally gave Gridin a chance, hope he stays in.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Well I certainly hope it was the best offer on the table, because I think we're a touch too accommodating with our players and giving them exactly what they want.

The problem I could foresee with these two consecutive moves where players got their landing spot is that it sets a precedent where current players that are moved in the coming months or year think because Craig has that 'considerate' reputation about him that they think can hold out for the top available destination on their list, potentially to the demise of what the team gets in return, like with Hanifin.

Pretty standard with UFAs, not just with the Flames...the usual suspects often get the big name rentals because they know they can sign them.

Vegas, Colorado, Florida ect.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

It won't affect anything because they weren't playing many young players anyways. Besides Kuznetsov, not many of the young players are getting a chance to play in the NHL lineup.

Happy they finally gave Gridin a chance, hope he stays in.

Brzustewicz?

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Brzustewicz?

He's played 14 games, a decent amount lately. But it took injuries to even give him a chance.