Huberdeau and Weegar Signing Discussion Thread

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

Gaudreau is there too. I think others are McDavid, Matthews, Makar, etc. I think that there will be some revisions after this season on both Tkachuk and Gaudreau don’t prove to be 100 players except in unique circumstances.

How can I take any list of the best contracts seriously that doesn't have Nate MacKinnon on it?

Sent from my SM-G986W using Tapatalk

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bax

I believe their analysis was based on the last 3 seasons.

If that is the case I have strong doubts on their methods...Tkachuk was an absolute disaster the season before last until meaningless games at the end of the year.
That list too...none of those guys are bargains except Makar, some are fair value

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How can I take any list of the best contracts seriously that doesn't have Nate MacKinnon on it?

Sent from my SM-G986W using Tapatalk

yeah that list has some gymnastics to it

heck not even a homer take...Drai is a better contract than any of those

[bax]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How can I take any list of the best contracts seriously that doesn't have Nate MacKinnon on it?

Sent from my SM-G986W using Tapatalk

Because his contract only has 82 games left on it. They are looking at total value of the entire contract.

8 seasons of a prime Tkachuk is more valuable than 1 season of a prime Mackinnon.

As for the Draisaitl comment, their model hates his defensive game which really impacts his overall value

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bax

Because his contract only has 82 games left on it. They are looking at total value of the entire contract.

8 seasons of a prime Tkachuk is more valuable than 1 season of a prime Mackinnon.

As for the Draisaitl comment, their model hates his defensive game which really impacts his overall value

Is two seasons of Auston Matthew @$11.6 m more valuable than one season of MacKinnon at almost half the cap hit? No chance in hell. This list is extremely suspect.

Sent from my SM-G986W using Tapatalk

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by bax

Because his contract only has 82 games left on it. They are looking at total value of the entire contract.

No, they're not. They're looking at (what they perceive to be) total value of the remaining time on the contract.

McKinnon's contract as a whole, starting in 2016, has been unquestionably one of the best value contracts in the NHL. The first year was rough, but since then he's been a fantastic bargain for the Avs.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How does that work? Huberdeau and Barkov didn't play together last year.

I think Tkachuk will do fine in Florida, but he will be hard pressed to ever see 100 again. Barkov is an incredible player, but he has only once played a full season, and that was four years ago. He is an 80-90 pt. centreman under normal conditions, and if he can play a full season. Tkachuk will likely not do any better than Barkov does.


Sent from my SM-G986W using Tapatalk

You misunderstood my post

The guy said Huberdeau was leading their team by 27 pts

I said he only led that many because Barkov missed a bunch of games

Barkov is a quality player and will help Tkachuk. Tkachuk had a career year at 24. In the right situation he can do it again. That doesn’t mean he is a consistent 100 pt player. He hasn’t proved that yet.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I think there is more of a chance that Gaudreau hits 100 points again than Tkachuk. It won't be impossible for Tkachuk, just less likely. I really do think that Gaudreau was incredibly good at pushing the pace and making players around him better. I still see Gaudreau as the most valuable piece out of the two.

[Kasi]

Barkov is an incredible all around center, but he’s not a 100 point guy or whatever it is prorated over a season. He’s no McDavid, McKinnon or Malkin/Crosby/Thornton (at their peaks). He’s probably a better defensive player than all of them but he gives it up on the offensive end to all of them. No reason to think he can push Tkachuk to 100 points like Gaudreau did. And if you stick them on the same line that’s fine but they’ve gone from two top lines to one. I think 70-90 is where Tkachuk will land most years before he starts declining.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

You misunderstood my post

The guy said Huberdeau was leading their team by 27 pts

I said he only led that many because Barkov missed a bunch of games

Barkov is a quality player and will help Tkachuk. Tkachuk had a career year at 24. In the right situation he can do it again. That doesn’t mean he is a consistent 100 pt player. He hasn’t proved that yet.

But isn't this the crux of the argument though? Barkov missed a bunch of games, and Huberdeau didn't? You cannot say Barkov could've outscored or out point Huberdeau if hey had stayed healthy. Because he didn't play those games, you don't know if he could've scored those points. It's like the Oilers fans saying if they had gotten past the Avs, they would've beaten the Bolts and bring the SC back to Canada.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

But isn't this the crux of the argument though? Barkov missed a bunch of games, and Huberdeau didn't? You cannot say Barkov could've outscored or out point Huberdeau if hey had stayed healthy. Because he didn't play those games, you don't know if he could've scored those points. It's like the Oilers fans saying if they had gotten past the Avs, they would've beaten the Bolts and bring the SC back to Canada.

Nobody said he would have outscored huberdeau last year.

The point is Barkov is a super star on his own and will help Tkachuk just as much as Johnny did.

That team was not only Huberdeau’s

[Jay Random]

Barkov's best year prorates to 108 points per 82 games. His second-best year was 96. He has never had offensive production equal to what Gaudreau put up last season.

I doubt a player who has never scored 100 points is going to be the one to get Tkachuk there for the second time.

[Mull]

Any news on Weegar?

Anyway we can get a poll on who would trade him (assuming a quality return) or keep him if not signed by like sept 10?

I am in the camp if he isn’t signed by then my guess is he is asking for too much. And if he is asking for to much this isn’t the same as Matthew but a much harder issue in some ways and try to trade him.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Mull

Any news on Weegar?

Anyway we can get a poll on who would trade him (assuming a quality return) or keep him if not signed by like sept 10?

I am in the camp if he isn’t signed by then he is asking for too much. And if he is asking for to much this isn’t the same as Matthew but a much harder issue in some ways and try to trade him.

I'm on the sign him or trade him by training camp.

Hopefully sign him tho

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by bax

Because his contract only has 82 games left on it. They are looking at total value of the entire contract.

8 seasons of a prime Tkachuk is more valuable than 1 season of a prime Mackinnon.

As for the Draisaitl comment, their model hates his defensive game which really impacts his overall value

I get what they are saying but it's flawed big time...I mean Gaudreau is suddenly one of the greatest 2way forwards in the game after years of being poor defensively.

Sutter, Lindholm, Markstrom, 6+ solid dmen did wonders for a lot of players metrics.

Guess who won't be +64 this season

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Nobody said he would have outscored huberdeau last year.

The point is Barkov is a super star on his own and will help Tkachuk just as much as Johnny did.

That team was not only Huberdeau’s

It's matter of opinion, and IMO, Barkov is a great player, a star no doubt, but a super star? May be I don't take "super star" likely. I do agree him and Tkachuk might help each other but I don't think he'll be able help Tkachuk the way Gaudreau did.

And I did not say that team was only Huberdeau, but he did score over 100 points with lesser players. And with Huberdeau, the Panthers had 2 scoring lines, now they have one? If Tkachuk playing with Barkov, who's going to play with Bennett? Teams shutting down one line is a bit easier, me think.

[dino7c]

Poster that trashed the Flames and their players all year is suddenly the biggest Tkachuk fan...go figure

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Mull

Any news on Weegar?

Anyway we can get a poll on who would trade him (assuming a quality return) or keep him if not signed by like sept 10?

I am in the camp if he isn’t signed by then my guess is he is asking for too much. And if he is asking for to much this isn’t the same as Matthew but a much harder issue in some ways and try to trade him.

Weegar is not getting traded before the start of the season.

Sent from my SM-G986W using Tapatalk

[GioforPM]

Barkov faces all the top lines. That in itself will affect Tkachuk’s point output. Here, while Lindholm’s line did some of the work, so did Backlund’s. Maybe even more.

[dustygoon]

If we don’t extend Weegar and he leaves does that money go to Hannifin? Is that good? Trying to think through what an extension means for us in a couple years.