2021 NHL Draft

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I tend to agree with this.

I have no worries with any player 5'10" or taller, or 180 lbs and up. I don't think you have to worry about a guy that size being "too small".

Anything smaller than that is probably where maybe you wouldn't use an early first on the player.

Lysell is 5'10" and 174lbs right now, so would be easily above 180 as he matures into his NHL weight and strength. So wouldn't be too concerned about his size.

And I'd worry about height a lot more than weight.

Most of these kids fill out.

But a 5'6" guy can only take it so far.

The only guy ranked to go top ten that's likely small to stay is Stankoven at 5'8"

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You take the most skilled player.

Brayden Point is 5'10", 183 lbs

Nikita Kucherov is 5'11", 183 lbs

Neither of those guys seem to have trouble producing in the NHL, or in the playoffs. As long as the guy is 5'10" or taller, or he's 180 lbs or heavier then you really don't seem to have an issue.

Was that their draft year bio stats?
EDIT:
A quick glance at some draft profiles had point at 5'9 160 and Kuch at 5'10 170.

So still, neither are as small as they were when drafted.

I dont think this 12th overall pick should be too concerned about height weight with the players in that range.

[dammage79]

And still, not one forward that could be available to the Flames at that range isn't a bad choice. We can have preferences but they getting a good/great prospect none the less.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And I'd worry about height a lot more than weight.

Most of these kids fill out.

But a 5'6" guy can only take it so far.

The only guy ranked to go top ten that's likely small to stay is Stankoven at 5'8"

I agree you're not going to see a 210 lb 5'6 person. Someone that height will have a tough time being over 190 lbs without being fat.

However, it seems like a lot of taller players just never end up putting on weight either. People assume that everyone will put on weight, but it's not a certainty.

Elias Petterson: Drafted 4 years ago. 6'2 and 176 lbs
Mitch Marner: Drafted 6 years ago. 6'0 and 175 lbs
Nikolaj Ehlers: Drafted 7 years ago. 6'0 and 172 lbs
There are also a lot of lanky goalies, but that's probably intentional. I don't know if these guys just can't put on weight, or simply aren't trying to. I'm guessing it's, for the most part, the latter (as it suits their play styles).

Mangiapane, 5'10, weighs more than all of them.
And he hasn't even put on much weight since he was drafted.

[Sandman]

Size still matters, especially in the playoffs. Each year, playoff teams aquire size and toughness for their playoff run.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Updated consensus file with Wheeler's full 100.

https://www.calgarypuck.com/wp-conte...onsensus-3.pdf

You'll notice this is "3", the other ones are still available if you want to go back -2, -1 etc.

No real change in rankings but the list is almost 240 players long now.

Another new one, I don't think you have this one yet.
https://www.ontheforecheck.com/2021/...t-june-ranking

It's a bit of a wacky list.

[Lanny_McDonald]

A bit wacky? Understatement.

[Monahammer]

Talk about a bit of a Swedish bias there lol

[Poe969]

Wow that's bad, I'm surprised the other didn't put himself in the top 10. Makes me want to publish my own top 5 list

1. Me: not good at hockey...at all but would love to sign a big money contract
2. That guy in the beer league who could have gone pro but didn't for family reasons: it's his turn
3. My cousin's neighbour: my cousin says "he's good, pretty good"
4. That guy at the rink who always looks amazing: sure he's playing against kids 5 years younger but he looks dominant out there
5. That kid who scored like 6 goals against our peewee team when we were kids: I wonder where he is now?

[Sandman]

Did anybody hear about an event called the "Flo Hockey PBHH Invitational" that took place in late May-June 13th? It was a mini tournament that featured talent from the OHL, USHL, and other leagues. There's a few draft eligibles in there like Arcuri, Rolofs, Voit, Hardie, Maggio, Hayes, and Morrison. It took place in Erie,PA.

[Sandman]

LW Josh Bloom,6'1"175lbs (Saginaw,OHL) 2019-20: 54gp/6g/8a/14pts. This is a kid we would definitely be talking about more if the OHL was playing this year. He's still quite young, as he just turned 18 on June 8th. Bloom is a dynamic skater, and playmaking winger. He played limited minutes in Saginaw's bottom-6 the last time he saw action, but it sure would've been nice to watch him with more ice-time and a bigger role. There's not many flaws in this kid's game-he's a pass-first player, but has great vision and IQ, along with the patience and ability to make time to find the right option. He knows where the puck is going, and where he needs to be-and he can find open space, and seams that seem impossible. Makes plays with, and without the puck. Powerful, long stride with great first-step quickness and fantastic edges to weave through traffic. Works hard down low and around the net. Also plays a responsible defensive game, with good awareness-he's often the first forward back in the defensive zone to help out. Central Scouting gave him a "C" rating, so look for him in the 4th-6th rounds.

RHD Isaac Enright,6'0"170lbs (Niagara,OHL) 2019-20: 53gp/1g/8a/9pts,34PIM. Selected 17th overall by the Ice Dogs, Enright grew up on a farm in Cochrane, Ontario-so you know he comes with toughness, and a solid work-ethic. He could be a steal in the making. This kid is a burgeoning offensive defenseman, who plays in all situations, can QB a powerplay, and be effective in the defensive zone-he models his game after Morgan Reilly. Smooth, effortless skater with excellent acceleration, along with top-notch edgework and agility to cut on a dime, and elude and separate from defenders. His head is always up, and on a swivel, scanning for opportunities. Stickhandling is sound, and has a vast array of moves that can make the opposition look silly. Good arsenal of hard, accurate shots. Sees the ice extremely well, makes a good first-pass, and is a smooth, accurate tape-to-tape passer. Keen vision and hockey sense to find players in transition. Enright's defensive game is well-developed, and was his best asset in his rookie season in the OHL-he displays great defensive awareness, and keeps opponents to the outside, limiting high-danger chances. He plays angles well, and has a strong, active stick that limits shots against, along with his willingness to sacrifice his body to block shots. He stays calm and composed, and makes the right decisions, even when under considerable forechecking pressure. He can play a physical game, and by some accounts-he hits hard. Last year, he was listed as a "Player to Watch" by Central Scouting. Enright needs to get bigger and stronger, as he can still be occasionally outmuscled by larger opponents. He also needs to keep developing his offensive game, which he didn't get to show off enough in his last season in the OHL. I would love to see the Flames get this kid, because as a ginger-he would look good next to Poirier. Rounds 4-6.

LW Stuart Rolofs,6'2"187lbs (London,OHL) 2019-20: 31gp/0g/3a/3pts. Rolofs tied for 7th in scoring at the PBHH Invitational, with 12pts in 9games-ahead of such names as Maggio, Hayes, and Voit. Power forward who plays a good 200-ft game, and employs a solid skating stride-he apparently beat Liam Foudy in a race at a Knights fan event, so he's fast. He used to be known as a goal-scorer, with work needed on his playmaking, but we don't know what he's been working on this year. Great net-front presence-gets tips and rebounds. Charges the net, and has a hard, accurate shot. Exhibits good passing to set up scoring opportunities in open spaces, but keeps it simple to avoid turnovers. Good vision-he always has his head up, and makes a lot of shoulder-checks, to scan for his next move. Attacks open lanes with the puck, and can hold possession, even with a man trying to take him down-exhibiting fine puck control. Rolofs reads the play in all 3 zones well, and knows where to be at the right time. Good defensive positioning and awareness, along with a strong, active stick-he breaks up plays, and intercepts passes on the regular. Makes his impression felt at both ends. He's also good at starting transitions out of the zone-he can connect with a pass, or skate it out himself. Stu works hard, wins 50/50 battles, competes, and hustles. Rolofs needs to continue to work on his acceleration, and top speed-although he's a good skater right now, he has an upright stance that costs him some power. He would do himself a favor by learning to lower his torso when skating. His shot is good, but isn't quite NHL-calibre yet, so he will need to improve it. Sometimes, his breakout passes are off the mark-particularly, the longer ones. His consistency could use a tune-up, as his intensity comes and goes. Rated a "C", so he may get picked in the 4th-6th rounds.

[Sandman]

C/LW Max McCue,6'0"159lbs (London,OHL) 2019-20: 34gp/2g/4a/6pts,22PIM, selected in the 2nd round, 34th overall in 2019 by the Knights. There's not a lot of ice-time in London for 16-year-olds, but coach Dale Hunter won't play you at all if you can't play solid defense. McCue projects to be a solid, jack-of-all-trades, two-way C, who makes a positive impact at both ends of the rink. McCue was set to take a big step this year in London, with more ice, and more responsibility, but the season was cancelled due to Covid. His bread and butter in his D-1 year was his defensive presence, which is already highly developed. He's fantastic in the defensive-and neutral zones, with air-tight positioning and awareness-he directs the troops on where to go, exemplifying great intangibles like his leadership, and confidence at only 16 years old. He's a great transitional player from the defensive and neutral zones as well-takes possession of the puck, and turns defense into offense. Very high level compete, and work-ethic. Max has good awareness of where to be in the offensive zone-he has a strong net-front presence, and works well off the cycle. He has good vision and poise with the puck on his stick, and can make high-end passes under pressure-he creates space for himself and his teammates, and is hard to move. McCue's play along the boards is one of his specialties-he draws in pressure, and takes punishment in order to open space for a pass to a teammate to forward the puck. He exhibits excellent puck-control in tight spaces, and the knack to gain the inside position in puck-battles. He needs work on his skating-he already has a good, long stride with powerful extensions, but needs work on his first-step explosiveness. He could also further develop his shot. If he gets picked, it will be in the later rounds, but there's a player here.

LW James Hardie,5'11"176lbs (Mississauga,OHL) 2019-20: 59gp/34g/29a/63pts-a first round, top-10 draft pick of the Steelheads, he was passed over in last year's draft-not because of his capabilities in the offensive zone (which are exceptional), but because of concerns with his defense, and play without the puck. He recognized, and acknowledged his shortcomings, but of course, hasn't been able to show any progression in games due to the OHL cancelling the season, but he's still getting mentioned in this year's draft. Second in scoring, and first in goals for Mississauga. He's a natural goal-scorer, with a wicked array of shots, all with a quick release-he has a quality wrister, one-timer, slapper, snap-shot, and even backhand. With his shot, he has quick hands to toe-drag, dangle, or fake before shooting-he can also make subtle changes in the angle of his shot to fool goaltenders, and he has high-level accuracy. He knows where to be to catch loose pucks in prime scoring positions, and can finish in tight by deking out the goalie. He's good in front of the net with tips, and gobbling up rebounds. Hardie is not devoid of playmaking skill, and can create offense for his teammates-he is able to thread a pass through traffic to high-danger, as he possesses good vision, and the ability to read the play well. Finds the soft areas to make himself an option to take a pass, and get off a quick shot. His stickhandling is a big plus, and he can use it to get through or around traffic, or open space and time. His skating is above average, with good first-step, excellent acceleration, and a nice top-speed. He can change speed and direction quickly to fool defenders. He has good balance, and is strong on the puck. Hardie plays bigger than his size-wins battles, controls the puck down low, forechecks hard, and grinds in the corners. In the defensive zone, he doesn't show the same intensity or desperation as he does going the other way-the effort isn't there, nor is the positioning, and he doesn't battle for pucks as much. He does a lot of puck-watching, and loses his man a lot. He could use work on his skating, which is not a negative, but has room to be grown. He has play-making ability, but still needs to learn how to better utilize his teammates. In short, he needs to go to the right team that will have the coaches, and patience, to develop him-he has some high-end weapons in his toolkit. His situation has been compared to that of Tyler Toffoli, and Kyle Palmieri-both of whom had some of the same issues.

[Sandman]

C/LW Landon McCallum (Sudbury,OHL) 2019-20: 52gp/2g/4a/6pts,25PIM, picked 15th overall by the Wolves. In an interview I read, he said that he wasn't happy with his rookie season, and didn't like how easily he was pushed off of pucks-so he immediately went to work after the end of the season, working out and eating, and went from 5'10"161lbs to 6'0"178lbs. If he gets picked, he have been one of the youngest to be drafted this year, as he has a Sept.5th birthday. McCallum has a lot of tools, and a quality work-ethic. He's a quick, wide-stance skater, who plays with pace, and keeps his feet in motion. Challenges opponents in all zones, and makes himself an option for a pass by finding those soft spots in coverage, where he can exploit time and space. Gets the puck to high-danger consistently. Sneaks through traffic to get shots. Good defensive player-battles hard at the net-front to box opponents away from his goalie. Handles the puck well through traffic, and holds possession under pressure. Competes hard, and leaves nothing on the ice. Skating is good, but could use an upgrade for the next level. He also needs to keep getting stronger, and working on his shot. If he gets picked, it will be in the later rounds.

LW Jack Beck,5'11"152lbs (Ottawa, OHL) 2019-20: 56gp/7g/12a/19pts,16PIM. Quick feet, can reach top speed in just a few strides. Fluid and agile, he can change speed and direction to fool defenders. Beck has innate playmaking abilities, and can create time and space to dish at high speed. Highly creative, and can find teammates in high-danger with tape-to-tape passes through traffic. He's very hard to knock off the puck, and has solid puck-protection skills. He exhibits good two-way ability, and uses his speed and awareness to disrupt plays in the neutral, and defensive zones, and has great positioning to block lanes. If he hasn't already, he needs to get bigger and stronger. He competes hard, but isn't overly physical-so he could improve that area. His shot is solid and accurate, but needs more strength. Like McCallum, if he gets picked, it won't be until the later rounds.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

^^ Thing is, you can’t just go with the player actually picked to tell if it was a good idea. For example, with the Flames, not only did they bypass Zemgus, but also Ceci, Wilson, Hertl, Teravainen and Vasilevsky (and Laughton but he’s about like Zemgus - small improvement only). The fact Buffalo picked the biggest dud of the players in that zone is their fault.

And IIRC, lots of posters on CP were angry Calgary passed on Teravainen, who went to Chicago.


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[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Another new one, I don't think you have this one yet.
https://www.ontheforecheck.com/2021/...t-june-ranking

It's a bit of a wacky list.

Yeah I think I'm going to pass on that one.

I think it's important that the person is at least a well followed contributor even if they're not a scout etc.

I mean I could rank them, but adding me to the list wouldn't make the consensus more accurate!

[FCAV]

Deep, deep dive through Matthew Coronato's offensive upside. I suggest a coffee prior to sitting down to read it!

https://nhlentrydraft.com/news/2021-...oronatos-game/

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by FCAV

Deep, deep dive through Matthew Coronato's offensive upside. I suggest a coffee prior to sitting down to read it!

https://nhlentrydraft.com/news/2021-...oronatos-game/

thanks for that...great breakdown.

Definitely is a kid that Calgary should have a shot at...give me skill and skating above size any day...

[aaronkarlpatton]

Originally Posted by FCAV

Deep, deep dive through Matthew Coronato's offensive upside. I suggest a coffee prior to sitting down to read it!



https://nhlentrydraft.com/news/2021-...oronatos-game/

OK this sold me.

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[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by FCAV

Deep, deep dive through Matthew Coronato's offensive upside. I suggest a coffee prior to sitting down to read it!

https://nhlentrydraft.com/news/2021-...oronatos-game/

I am to scared that he goes the 4 years and gives us the Fox nightmare all over again

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Moneyhands23

I am to scared that he goes the 4 years and gives us the Fox nightmare all over again

It would only be an issue if they waited until year 3 to sign him. If he is NHL ready in a year or two, he could probably be enticed by a contract. Being a sure thing 1st rounder, I think it's likely the Flames would sign him before year 3.

With Fox, by the time he looked contract worthy and physically able to handle the AHL/NHL, he was already in year 3. By that time, he could see the UFA door and it was worth it to him to wait.