I never posted anything about defending depending American Pit bull Terriers in that post. What I actually said was all dogs can be unpredictable. American Stafford shire Terrier are different.They were the first dogs used within he k9 units . http://www.cesarsway.com/dogbehavior...-Get-a-Bad-Rap
"However, as the breed spread to Americans and Americans spread across the continent, pit bulls began to be put to their original use, as general purpose herding and working dogs. Because of their fighting history, though, the American Kennel Club would not recognize the breed until 1936, although they defined it as a Staffordshire terrier, distinct from the American pit bull terrier."
https://www.akc.org/breeds/american_...rier/index.cfm
"Courageous and strong, the American Staffordshire Terrier (Am Staff)'s athletic build and intelligence make him ideally suited to many dog sports such as obedience, agility, tracking and conformation."
I've been attacked by by many German shepherds but not calling for a total ban on the breed. I have owned 2 myself. If you go into some ones house dogs get protective. German Shepherds with out the right training do have have a reputation as well of biting. My Mother at one time in the 80's had bred German Shepherds for The Medicine Hat RCMP. There is a reason Police and Military use them. MY Girlfriends Aunt 2 years ago had to put down a Retired police dog because it had grabbed a Standard Poodle by Its neck and killed it.
You have had some good luck with dogs. Yes both the breeds you listed have a purpose TO WORK!!! does a family need a working dog? If A dog is not able to do what they were bred to do it may have behavior issues. You can see this in Border Collies. They will innately try to herd everything and have a tendencies to nip.
I was never debating the issues that Americian pit bull Terriers in modern society. During the 80's with the resurgence with dog fighting and being used as a favorite guard dog of drug dealers this is not a surprise . What I am trying to say is re-purpose them like in the early days. keep them out of the hands of unintelligent people . Put them into Military service like in WW2 and the early days of the K9 units.My whole point is why does any person within the city other than Police need a working class breed?
We're gonna have to agree to disagree here. There a reason they haven't been "re-purposed" as you say. If they were the best dogs for the job you can bet that militaries and police or search and rescue organizations would be lining up to use them. They don't and there a reason for that. Boxers used to be used for police work way back when, so did Rottweilers and Belgian Malinois. But they were replaced in favour of the German Shepherd because they're more proficient.
Now as for pit bulls or staffordshire terriers herding? I'll believe it when I see it. They have short coats which don't make them particularly useful for working in different climates, especially in Canada. They tend to have a shorter snout than a Shepherd which makes them more prone to heat exhaustion as well as less surface area for their noses to assist in tracking. They're probably great for aggression, however controlled aggression is key. Pit Bulls(or staffordshire terriers)don't like to let go, it's a terrier thing.
German Shepherds, Border Collies and other working breeds do bite people. My point is that they have jobs they can do that no other dog can do as well, therefore they have a purpose. Are they the best family dogs? Probably not. Now explain to me what job a pit bull or staffordshire terrier does better than any other dog. Are they the best family dogs? Probably not. I fail to see the need or purpose of Pit Bulls other than fighting dogs as they were bred for.
And I wouldn't say I've had luck with dogs, I've just taken the necessary time with them. I'm not an expert trainer by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't think I'd ever fully trust a pit bull even if I raised it from a puppy.
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We're gonna have to agree to disagree here. There a reason they haven't been "re-purposed" as you say. If they were the best dogs for the job you can bet that militaries and police or search and rescue organizations would be lining up to use them. They don't and there a reason for that. Boxers used to be used for police work way back when, so did Rottweilers and Belgian Malinois. But they were replaced in favour of the German Shepherd because they're more proficient.
Now as for pit bulls or staffordshire terriers herding? I'll believe it when I see it. They have short coats which don't make them particularly useful for working in different climates, especially in Canada. They tend to have a shorter snout than a Shepherd which makes them more prone to heat exhaustion as well as less surface area for their noses to assist in tracking. They're probably great for aggression, however controlled aggression is key. Pit Bulls(or staffordshire terriers)don't like to let go, it's a terrier thing.
German Shepherds, Border Collies and other working breeds do bite people. My point is that they have jobs they can do that no other dog can do as well, therefore they have a purpose. Are they the best family dogs? Probably not. Now explain to me what job a pit bull or staffordshire terrier does better than any other dog. Are they the best family dogs? Probably not. I fail to see the need or purpose of Pit Bulls other than fighting dogs as they were bred for.
And I wouldn't say I've had luck with dogs, I've just taken the necessary time with them. I'm not an expert trainer by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't think I'd ever fully trust a pit bull even if I raised it from a puppy.
sheep herding competition American Staffordshire Terrier
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Heh, I see where you're going there. I think its a breed that attracts certain types of individuals. I think a lot of people rescue them with best intentions but I also think a lot of people buy them for the image and reputation.
Yeah I was going to say there seems like two types. The people who want the tough image, and the people who want to be contrary to the tough image and are all about the "breed being misunderstood".
Well, looks like they can herd! Learn something every day.
yes they can. its dirt bags and people who have no intention of training them properly. If you look up Rottweilers herding you will see tons. Rottwiller were actually bred as herding dogs tho. Rottweilers score in the top 3 of most intelligent breeds.
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yes they can. its dirt bags and people who have no intention of training them properly. If you look up Rottweilers herding you will see tons. Rottwiller were actually bred as herding dogs tho. Rottweilers score in the top 3 of most intelligent breeds.
I'm cool with letting farmers use them because I'm confident they would properly train them as work dogs....and they are way out on a farm.
I'm on the side that they shouldn't be kept as pets in the city.
I love the pics above. As if it wasn't tough enough getting a pitbull, cropping it's ears is necessary. Maim it so that it looks even tougher.
I will admit that the good ones are good dogs... Just like every other dog. The problem is that the bad ones are horrible. Regardless of who is to blame (dog or owner), these dogs have the instinct and ability to transform into uncontrollable attackers. But hey, it's just another kid, and just another face full of stitches.
That is not herding. That is a dog following his owner, with a touch of aimless wandering about sniffing and investigating his environment, taking a break for a piss interspersed with random half-hearted chases at the sheep.
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That is not herding. That is a dog following his owner, with a touch of aimless wandering about sniffing and investigating his environment, taking a break for a piss interspersed with random half-hearted chases at the sheep.
The description in the video says says he's 6months old in his second trading session. I posted above the video saying they are learning to.
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young pit bulls learning
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I'm cool with letting farmers use them because I'm confident they would properly train them as work dogs....and they are way out on a farm.
I'm on the side that they shouldn't be kept as pets in the city.
But I'm always the one to leave the car, and ask the farmer if he minds if I hunt on his land. I'm used to the old kind, tail-wagging mutt, and can just imagine having to get past a pitbull LOL...it would probably cut down on the hunting.
At any rate it would e nice to see the bull type dog being train properly like in the is Fly ball video. I
Lots of other dogs can do fly ball or whatever and don't have the propensity for violence as pit bull type dogs ( can we just call them pit bulls?). You can train a grizzly bear to ride a bike, they'll let you feed them and pet them until one day they don't like you for whatever reason and now you've got a problem.
I put pit bulls in the same category as any other wild predator. They are unpredictable while also being extremely aggressive.
This one happened in Temple. Dog was a Labrador Cross.
Not saying it's okay, but seems a little stupid situation for the humans to put the dog and kid in.
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“The boy was visiting the dog owner’s home at the time of the incident,” said Abdul Rafih, operations co-ordinator with bylaw. “The child had been chasing the dog around the home for about 10 minutes before the dog bit him, causing serious injury to his face.”
When my Lab x was younger my roommate leaned over the chair to pet her and she bit him in the face. That was the one and only time she ever bit anyone but I never trusted her around kids after that all the way up until I had a kid of my own.
My wife really wants another dog now after ours passed a few months ago but dogs can be so unpredictable.
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