2007 NFL Regular Season

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by moon

If this is what Brady can do with real WR's I guess last year showed us what Manning can do with a real defense.

Thats part of the reason I don't get bandwagon Pats fans. They aren't likeable. I can't think of one guy on their team that is likeable in anyway and their are plenty of guys that are asses and very hateable. They aren't sympathetic, they aren't a good story and they are playing like asses every single weak. I can understand long term fans enjoying it, but what about these POS would make someone jump on their bandwagon? I guess many people like a winner but they are winning is such a disgusting, gutless manner that I don't see what is appealing about that.

Ridiculous statements mate, they are all about perfection and they don't give a rats ass if anyone likes them, and they are the complete opposite of gutless. This ain't pop warner, it's PRO football, and they get paid to crush the other team, if you don't like them, stop them.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by flames_1987

That article was a complete joke, reeks of a bitter fan.

Which artical?

Fact is with Moss in the fold it's allowed Brady to do absolutely unreal things. Really did Randall Cunningham make the 1998 Vikings? He just had the arm strength to heave the ball down the field and Moss would catch it. Whitlock doens't slag Manning, just says that when he doesn't have great support around him, he too is mortal. Tom Brady and the Patriots had a lot of injuries in 2005 and a few people rumbled that Brady wan't having a great year, while others challenged that he in fact was the reason that the Pats were still a 10-6 team. That year Manning had the Colts at 13-0 and breaking all the records and everyone said he had finally surpassed Brady. Last year he finally had a bit of a defence and was able to win the Superbowl with a stellar supporting cast.

The Patriots response was to surround Brady with better players, and whether you want to admit it or not the Patriots are the best team in the NFL. I think there is a lot of truth to that artical in that Randy Moss has had a bigger impact on that Patriot juggernaut than any other player. I don't think there is any conicidence that the two highest scoring offences in the last 20 years featured Randy Moss having a great season. He's been motivated, and he's been damn good. If he had been traded to the Colts....I think they'd be the team who's currently 10-0.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

Ridiculous statements mate, they are all about perfection and they don't give a rats ass if anyone likes them, and they are the complete opposite of gutless. This ain't pop warner, it's PRO football, and they get paid to crush the other team, if you don't like them, stop them.

It isn't about perfection it is about making a statement. They certainly have every right to do it, but it doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it a good story.

I thought they got paid to win the games. Not sure where the stat for crushing is or how many more bonus points you get for winning by 7 TD's than you do for winning by 3. Does that mean that the Pats didn't do their job against the Colts because they didn't crush them? They sure seemed happy for it. Perhaps Randall Gay should give back his pay check for not doing what he was paid to do and crushing the Colts.


I still say it's pretty gutless to say I need my ego stroked some more so I better heave up another 3 TD's and make sure we win by 42 rather than just winning with class and going with a solid win by 21/28 points.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by moon

I thought they got paid to win the games. Not sure where the stat for crushing is or how many more bonus points you get for winning by 7 TD's than you do for winning by 3. Does that mean that the Pats didn't do their job against the Colts because they didn't crush them? They sure seemed happy for it. Perhaps Randall Gay should give back his pay check for not doing what he was paid to do and crushing the Colts.

I still say it's pretty gutless to say I need my ego stroked some more so I better heave up another 3 TD's and make sure we win by 42 rather than just winning with class and going with a solid win by 21/28 points.

So many things wrong with this. Don't you think it is alot eaiser on the defence when you are winning by 30 points vs 3 points?

The longer the offence can stay on the feild and eat away at the clock, it means the longer their defence can sit on the side lines and be rested for practice and another tough game next week.

Do they need to do it? No, but they are and it is fun to watch. Wondering if its going to be 11-0, 12-0, 13-0, ect. It brings a lot of attention to the game and I would say more people like watching vs the others who don't.

Why should Gay give back his paycheck? He won the game, he was saying that in response to some of the Bills players complaining about them "running up the score". They play professional football, either stop them or get off the feild. This isn't peewee football where we have to spare the feelings of 8 year olds, this is smash mouth, trash talk, american football.

[Language]

Originally Posted by moon

It isn't about perfection it is about making a statement. They certainly have every right to do it, but it doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it a good story.

I thought they got paid to win the games. Not sure where the stat for crushing is or how many more bonus points you get for winning by 7 TD's than you do for winning by 3. Does that mean that the Pats didn't do their job against the Colts because they didn't crush them? They sure seemed happy for it. Perhaps Randall Gay should give back his pay check for not doing what he was paid to do and crushing the Colts.


I still say it's pretty gutless to say I need my ego stroked some more so I better heave up another 3 TD's and make sure we win by 42 rather than just winning with class and going with a solid win by 21/28 points.

It's got nothing to do with ego stroking. I don't think you understand it. This isn't peewee football where you're trying to protect little boys from having their confidence and fun shattered. These are grown players who get paid big money to put up points. The Patriots pride themselves on perfection, and as soon as the coach says, "OK boys, we've put up enough points, let's just half ass it for the rest of the game so we only blow them out by 21 points rather than 40", what kind of message do you think that sends to the players?

Put it another way, if you were a paying customer at a Flames game, and the Flames had a 4-0 lead, would you be fine with them just spending the last 15 minutes of a game dumping the puck into the other zone and not fore checking hard? Or to make a similar case comparison: the Pats were at a 4 and 1 and decided to go for the touchdown instead of kicking a field goal. If the Flames were on a power play, would you like them to just pass the puck around without shooting it?

I don't understand these arguments for them blowing teams out. If the other team doesn't want to get blown out, maybe they should play better defense, instead of complaining about how good the other team is.

[moon]

Originally Posted by leonk19

Put it another way, if you were a paying customer at a Flames game, and the Flames had a 4-0 lead, would you be fine with them just spending the last 15 minutes of a game dumping the puck into the other zone and not fore checking hard? Or to make a similar case comparison: the Pats were at a 4 and 1 and decided to go for the touchdown instead of kicking a field goal. If the Flames were on a power play, would you like them to just pass the puck around without shooting it?

I don't understand these arguments for them blowing teams out. If the other team doesn't want to get blown out, maybe they should play better defense, instead of complaining about how good the other team is.

I am not sure that the Pats games should be compared to a 4-0 lead as that is not a sure win. The scores the Pats have been up by in the 4th quarter are.

If the Flames are up by 7 goals going into the 3rd period I have no problem with Moss, Smith, Yelle, Nystrom, Eriksson, Warriner, Sarich, Godard, Nilsson etc. seeing a lot more time than Iginla, Phaneuf, Tanguay and Langkow. If they get a PP I have no problem if again the big boys are left on the bench and others are put out.

I don't get this argument that teams should play better defense. Don't you think they are playing the best defense they can? Do you think that getting blown out by 40 points is how they want to play and were just dogging it that week?

[moon]

So many things wrong with this. Don't you think it is alot eaiser on the defence when you are winning by 30 points vs 3 points?

The longer the offence can stay on the feild and eat away at the clock, it means the longer their defence can sit on the side lines and be rested for practice and another tough game next week.

Sure and it is much easier when running the ball and taking time off the clock than by airing it out to Moss for big TD plays. And I think that at 35-3 the defense probably has had quite a bit of rest for the next week.

Do they need to do it? No, but they are and it is fun to watch. Wondering if its going to be 11-0, 12-0, 13-0, ect. It brings a lot of attention to the game and I would say more people like watching vs the others who don't.

Well that is where we disagree. I don't see it as fun to watch and don't understand how others do as well.

It brings a lot of negative attention to the game as well and I am not a believer in the any attention is good attention when you have the profile that the NFL does. The Colts brought a lot of attention the past couple of seasons with their run of undefeated starts and it didn't seem to matter that they weren't running the score up.

Why should Gay give back his paycheck? He won the game, he was saying that in response to some of the Bills players complaining about them "running up the score".

My response about Gay was in the posters comment that "they get paid to crush people." Obviously in the Pats did not crush the Colts so Gay (and his teammates) did not do his job in the posters view of what NFL players get paid to do, like Gay felt the Bills defenders failed to do what they were paid to do.

[moon]

Originally Posted by leonk19

The Patriots pride themselves on perfection, and as soon as the coach says, "OK boys, we've put up enough points, let's just half ass it for the rest of the game so we only blow them out by 21 points rather than 40", what kind of message do you think that sends to the players?

If they pride themselves on perfection than I would say they are doing a pretty crappy job this season and the Colts game was an absolute disaster.

It didn't seem to hurt the previous 41 Super Bowl champions when they let up on teams so I imagine that the message wouldn't be that bad to the Patriots. They just might be able to overcome the psychological pain of not being able to pad their stats and still manage some success in the season.

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by moon

If they pride themselves on perfection than I would say they are doing a pretty crappy job this season and the Colts game was an absolute disaster.

It didn't seem to hurt the previous 41 Super Bowl champions when they let up on teams so I imagine that the message wouldn't be that bad to the Patriots. They just might be able to overcome the psychological pain of not being able to pad their stats and still manage some success in the season.

You're reaching now dude, they won that game, in the home of the superbowl champion, they WON and have not lost, that is perfection. As for other champions letting up, complete crap, if you asked every single coach of those teams whether they would abstain from crushing teams, the answer would be a resounding no.

[troutman]

The Pats are running up the score because:

1) They are mad at the NFL (spy gate)
2) They want to be sharp for the playoffs
3) They are making other teams think they are invincible - opponents feel beat before they step on the field
4) The team and players have a chance for historic records - Brady is on track for MVP and touchdown record
5) Other players (free agents) will want to play for the Pats
6) They are very deep and don't seem worried about injuries to key players - Brady is getting great protection

NE did take the foot off the gas vs. BUFF - Brady did not play the 4th quarter

NE band-wagon fans? I saw more people jumping on the Colts band-wagon the last few years than the Pats. The Pats are not nearly as popular.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by moon

If they pride themselves on perfection than I would say they are doing a pretty crappy job this season and the Colts game was an absolute disaster.

It didn't seem to hurt the previous 41 Super Bowl champions when they let up on teams so I imagine that the message wouldn't be that bad to the Patriots. They just might be able to overcome the psychological pain of not being able to pad their stats and still manage some success in the season.

LOL, Colts are a very banged up team. They have so many injuries to key players I would not be surprised to see them struggle today.

For a team to play at a high level they need to stay healthy....Colts have not and they could fall in the standings.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by troutman

The Pats are not nearly as popular.

My work place is full of Pat Fans. Its hard to go any where without someone loving the pats....

[habernac]

Originally Posted by troutman

The Pats are running up the score because:

1) They are mad at the NFL (spy gate)
2) They want to be sharp for the playoffs
3) They are making other teams think they are invincible - opponents feel beat before they step on the field
4) The team and players have a chance for historic records - Brady is on track for MVP and touchdown record
5) Other players (free agents) will want to play for the Pats
6) They are very deep and don't seem worried about injuries to key players - Brady is getting great protection

NE did take the foot off the gas vs. BUFF - Brady did not play the 4th quarter

NE band-wagon fans? I saw more people jumping on the Colts band-wagon the last few years than the Pats. The Pats are not nearly as popular.

they're also remembering last year's playoffs where they had a seemingly insurmountable lead after the first half and then had their asses handed to them in the 2nd half.

[Sylvanfan]

Well I don't like either team....But I'd rather see bandwagons full of Colt fans and Pats fans versus a bandwagon of Raiders fans.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Well I don't like either team....But I'd rather see bandwagons full of Colt fans and Pats fans versus a bandwagon of Raiders fans.

Cowboy fans are the worst.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by habernac

they're also remembering last year's playoffs where they had a seemingly insurmountable lead after the first half and then had their asses handed to them in the 2nd half.

Agreed! I think this is the main reason they are doing it...they don't want to get comfrontable and I think BB is doing a GREAT job at keeping them focused no matter what the score.

However from the numbers you can see they do let up near the end of the half and game.

Opponent Scoring by Quarter:

1st - 17
2nd - 48
3rd - 30
4th - 62

[HOOT]

The question is who is going to beat them?

W12: Eagles (5-5; Road 3-2) - Have only beat one team that is over .500 and that was the Lions (6-4) in week 3. There is a possibility that McNabb might not start this game and if he does will be playing with a bad ankle and wrist. If he can not move well with his ankle the Pats D will just eat him up.

W13: @ Ravens (4-6; Home 3-2) - Best team they have beat is the Cardinals (5-5) back in week 2 by 3 points. Their offence would just not match up well against the Pats Defence.

W14: Steelers (7-3; Road 2-3) - Top Defence in the league, should be a good match up for the Patriots.

W15: Jets (2-8; Road 0-4) - Beat the Steelers (7-3) last week, however it was a home victory and a narrow one at that. Patriots have already beat them in week 2, 38-14.

W16: Dolphins (0-10; Road 0-5) - Well they haven't beat anyone, so I don't know what makes anyone think they can beat the best team in the league. Pats have already beat them in week 7, 49-28.

W17: @ Giants (7-3; Home 3-2) - Probably the best chance anyone has to beating the Patriots this year. Giants will be at home and possibly playing a team that is rest their starters if they are sitting at 15-0. Even with a 7-3 record the Giants have only beaten one opponent that was over .500 and that was the Lions (6-4) in week 11.

[troutman]

^^^^

Only two road games remaining for Pats. They might have home field wrapped-up real quick.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by troutman

^^^^

Only two road games remaining for Pats. They might have home field wrapped-up real quick.

Ya its looking pretty good but still some work in the next 6 weeks.

Magic number is 4 against the Colts , 3 for the Steelers, 2 for the Browns & Titans and 1 for the Bills, Texans Chargers & Broncos.

[HOOT]

2 quick feild goals (only a minute apart) to make it 6-0 DET

edit: GB with an INT run back to the DET RZ. Quick touchdown pass.