Ovechkin pushes a Russian fan in Vancouver?

[Cactus Jack]

In my opinion, Crosby is clearly the superior player. The most talented isn't always the best. You can like whomever you want but this assanine arguements for Ovechkin are ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Netskot

you wouldn't feel this way if he was Canadian or you Russian.

Crosby isn't better because he's Canadian, he's simply better. Jagr, a Czech, was the best player on earth for about a decade, no one argued that. Get over the discrimination card.

Originally Posted by Ark2

People are funny. Ovechkin is seen as a choker, because, among other things, he played poorly in game 7 vs. the Pens in last year's playoffs. That was arguably the only game that he did not dominate in, yet he is not a clutch player. Crosby, on the other hand, completely disappeared during the last two rounds of the playoffs, but he was able to ride his teammates past Carolina and Detroit, so he is the better player. Pure comedy.

Ovechkin is a choker, he's proven it over and over in the 3 biggest games of his life. In the WJ game against Canada, he was dominated and beat up. In game 7 against Pittsburgh, Ovechkin did nothing but put one goal on the board but only after Pittsburgh was up 5-0. By the way, Crosby had 2 goals and an assist in that game, including the game's first goal. And now again against Canada in the Olympics.

Crosby dominated against Washington and won the series against Philly himself. Malkin did outscore him against Carolina and Detroit, but look closely at the matchup. Babcock put Draper, Zetterberg, Cleary and Lidstrom on Crosby at all times, not on Malkin. That shows you who the Wings worried most about. Crosby drew the team's top 4 checkers to allow room for others. That's why he's the best in the game. He can score 100+ points a year and actually play at both ends of the ice. Oh, that and the fact that he has 2 career fights to Ovechkin's 0.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by stang

So would Paul Baxter.

6 timbits wouldn't even make a doughnut.

Crosby would have gave the fan a gatorade. Crosby just doesn't stop.

[Netskot]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

Oh, that and the fact that he has 2 career fights to Ovechkin's 0.

[Netskot]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

Crosby isn't better because he's Canadian, he's simply better.

Ovechkin has more individual awards and more points than Crosby.

You = lose.

[Winsor_Pilates]

What was the over/under on when this thread turns into another stupid Ovechkin/Crosby debate?

[Netskot]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

What was the over/under on when this thread turns into another stupid Ovechkin/Crosby debate?

it was inevitable the minute someone mentioned something along the lines of "OMG! Ovechkin did what?!? Crosby would never do that! I heart Crosby!"

Crosby CP

[domingo]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I wonder why he pushed the camera? Makes no sense to do so out of the blue since he loves the attention.

I thought he injured his left hand in the game and it seems that he pushed with his left hand.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by domingo

I thought he injured his left hand in the game and it seems that he pushed with his left hand.

His left hand was fine once they had lost. It's his modus operandi.

I'll never get sick of this:

[Netskot]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

that's a great picture. rivals the likes of ..

[Cactus Jack]

I'm not trying to turn this into a flame war. People can like who they please but I refuting some ridiculous statements, that's all.

Originally Posted by Netskot

Ovechkin has more individual awards and more points than Crosby.

You = lose.

I don't know why you used the equal sign when clearly math isn't your strong point. Ovechkin has played 27 more career games over the past 5 years but Crosby has more points per game.

Originally Posted by Netskot

It's the truth, face it.

[amorak]

Russians are seedy and untrustworthy, so that alone makes Crosby a better hockey player than AO, even if the Crosby I am talking about is named Bing.

Sarcasm alert Sarcasm alert! I actually like Russians...who lose to Canada!

[Diet Water]

Originally Posted by MJM

Why do you people even debate with people like Diet Water? He's clearly an Ovechikin fan boy in every sense of the word. There's nothing you can say (or any stat or fact on the planet) that is going to change their mind. My bet is you are arguing with a teenager. He should have made my ignore list last time he talked about Ovechkin, he's made it now.

Fan boy, teenager.

What a complete moron, coming from the guy who has based all of his opinions of Ovechkin on just one game, it doesn't surprise me though.

[Daradon]

You don't want to see an athlete do something like this for any reason.

On the other hand, people are expecting way to much access into celebrities lives.

How would you feel if someone was filming you after what was surely one of the most disappointing moments of your life?

As well, as others have mentioned, it's hard to know exactly what was happening from that video clip.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Daradon

You don't want to see an athlete do something like this for any reason.

On the other hand, people are expecting way to much access into celebrities lives.

How would you feel if someone was filming you after what was surely one of the most disappointing moments of your life?

As well, as others have mentioned, it's hard to know exactly what was happening from that video clip.

That's part of being a proffessional athlete, and a celebrity.

[Daradon]

PS this whole Crosby vs. Ovechkin pissing match is ridiculous and childish, I hope you all can see that.

I choose to enjoy watching both players. I love that Crosby is a Canadian and is on our side, but I love watching Ovie's highlights all season. I love that the two are bringing a energy and rivalry that only helps this sport we all love so much.

Both have their pluses and both have their minuses. According to some, one is a whiner and the other is a egotistical punk. But things like this were said about all great players through history.

Prefer one or the other if you like. That's fine, and wholly understandable. But I hope you realize how dumb you sound when you start bringing it down to this level.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by flameswin

That's part of being a proffessional athlete, and a celebrity.

Meh, I don't buy that 100%. I mean I do expect that people will know more about you and there will be times you have to put up with it and even play up to it.

But our whole culture of media has gone way overboard in the last 10 years. And that, coupled with technology, is turning everyone into voyeurs who believe they have access everywhere.

Again, I don't condone what Ovie did, it looked kinda loserish, but it is in many ways understandable.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Meh, I don't buy that 100%. I mean I do expect that people will know more about you and there will be times you have to put up with it and even play up to it.

But our whole culture of media has gone way overboard in the last 10 years. And that, coupled with technology, is turning everyone into voyeurs who believe they have access everywhere.

Again, I don't condone what Ovie did, it looked kinda loserish, but it is in many ways understandable.

I guess it can be attributed to a personality flaw on his part then. He's in Sochi House, where it's advertised as a place for athletes and fans to interact.

[Diet Water]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Meh, I don't buy that 100%. I mean I do expect that people will know more about you and there will be times you have to put up with it and even play up to it.

But our whole culture of media has gone way overboard in the last 10 years. And that, coupled with technology, is turning everyone into voyeurs who believe they have access everywhere.

Again, I don't condone what Ovie did, it looked kinda loserish, but it is in many ways understandable.

I agree with the logic, but at the same time Ovechkin isn't the only person having to deal with these kind of things.

There are people who deal with it more frequently than Ovechkin, and you don't see them pushing people over.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I guess it can be attributed to a personality flaw on his part then. He's in Sochi House, where it's advertised as a place for athletes and fans to interact.

Fair enough, that would be a point to be taken into consideration.

As someone said before, it would be nice to see what Ovechkin saw before a judgment is made. It's kinda hard to figure out exactly what's going on from the one clip.

Again, not giving him a free pass, just don't like having one side of the story.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Cactus Jack

Ovechkin is a choker, he's proven it over and over in the 3 biggest games of his life. In the WJ game against Canada, he was dominated and beat up. In game 7 against Pittsburgh, Ovechkin did nothing but put one goal on the board but only after Pittsburgh was up 5-0. By the way, Crosby had 2 goals and an assist in that game, including the game's first goal. And now again against Canada in the Olympics.

Crosby was invisible during the last two series in last season's playoffs. Why is he getting credit for what his team did? Look at the last two game 7's of the Stanley Cup finals. Where was Crosby? He was invisible. He did nothing. His team won those games for him, and yet he is given all the credit. Ovechkin had one bad game and he is a choker? That's a load of BS.

Crosby dominated against Washington and won the series against Philly himself. Malkin did outscore him against Carolina and Detroit, but look closely at the matchup. Babcock put Draper, Zetterberg, Cleary and Lidstrom on Crosby at all times, not on Malkin. That shows you who the Wings worried most about. Crosby drew the team's top 4 checkers to allow room for others. That's why he's the best in the game. He can score 100+ points a year and actually play at both ends of the ice. Oh, that and the fact that he has 2 career fights to Ovechkin's 0.

How is that any sort of excuse? When you are the best player on your team, you will be checked the hardest. Crosby couldn't overcome that, yet his team won, so all is forgiven and he is the better player? Give me a break. You're reasoning is pretty absurd.