Hybrid Parking?! F- THAT.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Dan02

in fairness those contractor stalls are only located by the contractor entrance not the general entrance.

True, although the mini HD on 16th has them right next to the handicap stalls as the main entrance is right next to the contractor entrance.

On that note, I'll even use the "contractor" checkout at HD if it looks to be faster.

[Red_Baron]

What would really suck is if you had an electric car. They are not a hybrid so they wouldn't be eligible.
Most Prius owners have a look on their face that says "Look at me! I'm so green that I have a stick up my ___ right now!"

[Jedi Ninja]

[Nuje]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I'd be all for a rebate or sales tax break for hybrids though.

I'm not. What they should do, is bring the Volkswagen 3 cylinder diesels over. An extremely efficient car that doesn't need an electric motor to post those sorts of numbers. Hybrids are a stop-gap, not an actual solution to any environmental problem. Instead of giving hybrid drivers tax breaks, they should help develop a cleaner fuel.

Now if they give parking spots to those Chevy Volt-like cars coming up....then they're REALLY out to lunch. Our electricity is generated by petroleum here in Alberta, so if they give any incentives to buy one of those things, I will be pissed.

[algernon]

Originally Posted by Nuje

I'm not. What they should do, is bring the Volkswagen 3 cylinder diesels over. An extremely efficient car that doesn't need an electric motor to post those sorts of numbers. Hybrids are a stop-gap, not an actual solution to any environmental problem. Instead of giving hybrid drivers tax breaks, they should help develop a cleaner fuel.

Now if they give parking spots to those Chevy Volt-like cars coming up....then they're REALLY out to lunch. Our electricity is generated by petroleum here in Alberta, so if they give any incentives to buy one of those things, I will be pissed.[/B]

LOL, WUT?

Electricity Facts

Alberta has over 12,700 megawatts (MW) of electricity generation capacity as well as 21,000 kilometres of transmission lines. Together, this system continuously delivers electricity to homes, farms and businesses in every corner of the province.

Almost half of Alberta’s electricity generation capacity is from coal and almost 40 percent from natural gas. Alberta also uses water, wind, biomass and waste heat as forms of electricity generation.

http://www.energy.alberta.ca/Electricity/681.asp

So maybe now you're only half pissed?

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Ya well...I walk to work!
/smug

I walk to work and I don't own a car at all. I'm better than everyone.

[dj_patm]

I drive a 4 Door, Heavy, Sports Sedan which I floor everywhere I go while killing baby goats and shooting heroin.

I win.

[GGG]

Well from a purely enviromental standpoint buying a Hybrid does not make sense. Not because there is anything wrong with Hybrid technology but it is too expensive.
The cost / ton of CO2 reduction is far higher than other forms like getting green electricity. He is an example. A Prius and a Corolla are roughly similar sized cars (Fuel economy, and prices based on Toyota Canada website. Carbon Price Based on a quick google search, Carbon / Litre from Government Canada website, Price of Gas based on $1 per liter)

Prius gets 3.8 L/100km
Corolla 6.7 km/100km.
Cost of a Base Model Prius $27,500.
Cost of a Base Corolla $15260.
Carbon Emitted per Liter of Gas 2.4KG
Cost of a Carbon Credit $15 to $25 per ton

20,000km driven 580L Difference in Fuel Consumption 1.392 tons different in Carbon Output
100,000km driven 2900L Difference in Fuel Consumption 6.96 tons different in Carbon Output
200,000km driven 5800L Difference in Fuel Consumption 13.92 tons different in Carbon Output

So over the lifetime of the Vehicle the prius user will save $5800 worth of fuel. (Note any increase in fuel cost could be offset by the oppurtunity cost in the $12,000 difference in price). So the Prius user will spend about $6000 more over the lifetime on his vehicle. For the Low, Low cost of $25 a ton the Corolla user can spend $350 on Carbon Credits and have the same eco footprint plus $5000 in his pocket.

The $10,000 or so price tag that a Hybrid is not worth it. And for less than $1000 us drivers of SUV's can have the same carbon footprint as a prius drivers. So if you really were to care about the enviroment more so then status or a feeling like you are doing the cool thing you would either buy offsets or change your power to wind power.

(the table looked much better in Excel and showed many more numbers, Anyone know how to paste a nested table)

[zamler]

Originally Posted by dj_patm

I drive a 4 Door, Heavy, Sports Sedan which I floor everywhere I go while killing baby goats and shooting heroin.

I win.

With some luck you'll mistake a large tree for a goat.

Originally Posted by GGG

Well from a purely enviromental standpoint buying a Hybrid does not make sense

Short term thinking. People buying hybrids will cause the tech to proliferate and improve. Ideally, the ICE will be slowly downscaled and eventually eliminated. The car can then rely on power from a charging station, fed by various and flexible sources of energy. (including energy generated by the home user)

[4X4]

I'm all for ICE being downscaled, but not entirely eliminated. What will we play hockey on?

[dj_patm]

A bunch of Prius's lined up?

[RougeUnderoos]

This is like the War on Christmas.

The malls do this because they think it will somehow make them more money, just like the store owners tell the flunkies to say "Happy Holidays" instead of Merry Christmas. There is no discrimination, secret code or anything else. It's capitalism.

Buncha commies in this thread.

[Thor]

I'd be keen if this was for electric cars, that way its easier for me to see if anyone has pulled up in a Tesla roadster.

[dj_patm]

Originally Posted by zamler

With some luck you'll mistake a large tree for a goat.

Or you, in your Prius

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Nuje

Now if they give parking spots to those Chevy Volt-like cars coming up....then they're REALLY out to lunch. Our electricity is generated by petroleum here in Alberta, so if they give any incentives to buy one of those things, I will be pissed.

Okay. Apparently I not only have to post it in every thread about electric vehicles, but several times in the same thread. Studies show that even if our electricity was generated 100% from dirty coal, using an electric vehicle over an ICE car would result in a 25% decrease in CO2 due to the efficiencies built into the power generation plants.

GGG: That assumes one buys into the carbon credit system. Ask how many people here have purchased carbon credits to offset their car emissions. If I personally want to produce the lowest CO2 and am willing to pay the extra $6,000 instead of redesigning my kitchen, then I have cut my personal car emissions. Which is a "Good Thing"(TM).

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That's really the thing that bothers me. I actually like the idea of giving people incentives to buy hybrids, but something like this is economic discrimination. Most people simply cannot afford new cars. I'd be all for a rebate or sales tax break for hybrids though.

I don't understand that either. How is that not "discrimination". The poor would not be able to afford a hybrid car, would not be able to qualify for that tax break. So again, it's a discriminatory tax break for the rich?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by GGG

(the table looked much better in Excel and showed many more numbers, Anyone know how to paste a nested table)

Maybe just take a screen capture of the table then post as a jpeg?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Okay. Apparently I not only have to post it in every thread about electric vehicles, but several times in the same thread. Studies show that even if our electricity was generated 100% from dirty coal, using an electric vehicle over an ICE car would result in a 25% decrease in CO2 due to the efficiencies built into the power generation plants.

GGG: That assumes one buys into the carbon credit system. Ask how many people here have purchased carbon credits to offset their car emissions. If I personally want to produce the lowest CO2 and am willing to pay the extra $6,000 instead of redesigning my kitchen, then I have cut my personal car emissions. Which is a "Good Thing"(TM).

Well by buying a hybrid you are buying Carbon Credits at $6000/13 tons = $461. It really is just an inefficient way to purchase Carbon Credits. This means that the Enviroment must not be the only reason people are buying hybrds.

[algernon]

Originally Posted by GGG

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(the table looked much better in Excel and showed many more numbers, Anyone know how to paste a nested table)

I think you just highlight the table, then

put (code) tags on it.  It's the "#" 2nd from the right in the lower row. 
Above the advanced post writing box.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I don't understand that either. How is that not "discrimination". The poor would not be able to afford a hybrid car, would not be able to qualify for that tax break. So again, it's a discriminatory tax break for the rich?

A break on the sales tax. Not a tax break.

It's not discrimination because sales tax is always an optional tax anyway.