I think I saw a UFO tonight.

[Neeper]

Originally Posted by stang

Probally just some weather Balloons Neeper

Can a weather balloon make turns and also make a u-turn and go the other way?

[Neeper]

Originally Posted by FoxMulder91

Hey Neeper, take a look at this thread.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread367844/pg1
There are lots of similar sightings being discussed.

That is very, very similar to what the 3 of us saw. At first we thought it was a satellite too, until it started to make sharp turns.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by worth

You’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. The drake equation is a statistical formula to quantify the possibility of extraterrestrial life. Even if you put in the lowest numbers for all the values, you will still get a fraction of a percent chance of the possibility of extraterrestrial life.

You can not statistically quantify the existence of God. If you make a formula to statistically quantify God, N = 0.

There is a way to test the drake equation. That is to discover an alien civilization. Once you do that, the equation is verified and revised estimates can be made.

It is not a guess, it is a scientific hypothesis in which there is statistical evidence which leads to highly probably outcome in this case.

For extraterrestrial life, N >= 0.
For God, N=0.

If the only possible scientific answer for God = 0, then anything >0 is greater statistical evidence.

And you are misunderstanding me. Let me clarify.

Is there more hard evidence, right now, to prove that aliens exist and are alive, than there is hard evidence to prove God exists and is alive? What is your definition of hard evidence, because it seems much looser than mine. Has anyone touched an alien? Has anyone seen an alien? Has anyone smelled an alien? Has anyone done ANYTHING that can be proven, recorded, and tested, when it comes to alien life? Anything? Giving me statistics and probabilities is NOT evidence, not to me, and not to how I view real science. Science is composed of testable hypotheses, not guesses and chances.

Tell me how you do anything but guess the value of fc. For those that don't know, fc in the value stands for the fraction of civilizations that develop technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space. That is unprovable, and, as a result, has little place in a discussion of actual, hard, science. Even putting in the lowest numbers, it is still a guess.

Anyways, once you find that alien civilization this argument won't matter, because aliens will have been proven to exist. Until then, there is no ACTUAL, HARD evidence to prove that. There is nothing. Nada. Zip. The same as the existence of God. Nothing. Nada. Zip. That is what this argument began as. How can you dismiss the existence of one on the basis of there being more "evidence" for the other? It's impossible at this time.

[Neeper]

What if Aliens were the Gods that descended from the sky??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVyb4ebns0

[Uncarved]

Funny how this got turned into a God vs. Aliens thread.

To add to the stories, I have also witnessed a UFO. This was 5 years ago when we were camping out near Rimby. We were in a teepee when I went out to go to the bathroom. While standing there I looked over and saw a craft of some sort (closest type of object I could compare it to would be a stealth bomber), it was hovering but not moving, just above the tree line roughly about a 1/4 of a KM away. I was so freaked out by this and scared that when i finally did manage to move, and go back in the Teepee, I didn't tell anyone about it. I didn't end up leaving the teepee after that point till well after sunrise, and even had trouble sleeping after that.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Neeper

Can a weather balloon make turns and also make a u-turn and go the other way?

If it was God weather Balloon it could have

[FoxMulder91]

Did these look like what you saw Neeper?
All 3 of these were filmed in Calgary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1-GGIXl8ew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu8LcDtXlic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVbJQNs2nrM

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by FoxMulder91

Tens of thousands of UFO sightings.
Thousands and thousands of people telling similar stories about alien abductions.
Cattle mutiltations.
Area 51
Ruins on Mars
etc

The plural of anecdotes is not evidence.

[FoxMulder91]

Originally Posted by Burninator

The plural of anecdotes is not evidence.

Sorry to say, but UFO's, Eye witness reports, etc are evidence.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by FoxMulder91

Sorry to say, but UFO's, Eye witness reports, etc are evidence.

Evidence of what? The existence of extraterrestrial life on earth?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by FoxMulder91

Sorry to say, but UFO's, Eye witness reports, etc are evidence.

Constantine said he saw a cross superimposed over the sun before he did battle.

Does that mean God is real?

[Cheese]

The closer one gets to BC Bud, the more paranormal items one sees.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by Neeper

Ok, I know this sounds crazy, and there probably is an explanation, so I am hoping someone could shed light on this.

When I left my friend's house tonight (in SoCal), I looked up at the sky and was drawn to a faint moving light. My first thought of course was a satellite, but it was moving really slow. I pointed it out to my buddies and they saw it as well. We kept watching it, trying to decide if it was a plane or a satellite. We deduced it was too high for a plane. As we kept watching it, it started to make sharp "S" turns!!! We all looked at each other like, WTF? It then started to go straight and then disappeared. We kept our eyes in the sky and it came back a few seconds later, now going the opposite way. It started going straight and then started to make those "S" turns again and then disappeared.

I've actually seen this once before in my life a long time ago in Calgary. The object was flying slow, a few "s" turns, but this one actually made a u-turn and then sped up and disappeared. I never really talked about it and just kind of put it in the back of mind, until tonight.

What the hell was it??? Sorry no photos, just eye witnesses. Has anyone seen this before?

Hey Neeper...I saw something similar here last week (minus the s turns). I told my wife about it the next day, so she can vouch!

I think it would have been about last Wednesday at around 8 or 9 pm., a nice clear evening. I was finishing work, fueling up my truck. Where I fuel it's very dark, not a lot of light around, so I often get a good look at the night sky without much light in the way. In the western sky I noticed a fairly bright light, slowly moving across the sky due east. It kind of caught my eye because there was no flashing lights that you would see on a plane. It was like the same height as say a 35,000 foot airplane, but moving quicker, and no flashing or twinkling at all, just a solid white light. My uneducated opinion therefore detemined that it likely wasn't a satellite either, as they usually are less bright, move slower, look more like a moving star. I watched it the whole time as it moved right over top of me, then at say 1 o clock from where I was standing, toward the eastern sky it just quickly vanished. The light dimmed for about 5-10 seconds first, then poof....it was gone. I stood there for a minute or so after, kind of dumbfounded, almost waiting for it to reappear, but whatever it was it was gone.

I dont have a clue what it might have been. Kind of unspectacular as far as UFO's go I guess. I'm quite certain it wasn't a plane. Planes dont disappear. Some kind of space junk that burnt up maybe, I dunno. Thing is the speed of it was consistent right across the sky over top of me, not like it was falling. Weird, who knows.

[worth]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

And you are misunderstanding me. Let me clarify.

Is there more hard evidence, right now, to prove that aliens exist and are alive, than there is hard evidence to prove God exists and is alive? What is your definition of hard evidence, because it seems much looser than mine. Has anyone touched an alien? Has anyone seen an alien? Has anyone smelled an alien? Has anyone done ANYTHING that can be proven, recorded, and tested, when it comes to alien life? Anything? Giving me statistics and probabilities is NOT evidence, not to me, and not to how I view real science. Science is composed of testable hypotheses, not guesses and chances.

Tell me how you do anything but guess the value of fc. For those that don't know, fc in the value stands for the fraction of civilizations that develop technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space. That is unprovable, and, as a result, has little place in a discussion of actual, hard, science. Even putting in the lowest numbers, it is still a guess.

Anyways, once you find that alien civilization this argument won't matter, because aliens will have been proven to exist. Until then, there is no ACTUAL, HARD evidence to prove that. There is nothing. Nada. Zip. The same as the existence of God. Nothing. Nada. Zip. That is what this argument began as. How can you dismiss the existence of one on the basis of there being more "evidence" for the other? It's impossible at this time.

The probability that Extrateresterials exist is greater than or equal to zero. The probability that god exists is not provable. End of story.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by worth

The probability that Extrateresterials exist is greater than or equal to zero. The probability that god exists is not provable. End of story.

Sigh, you are missing my pointy entirely, but let's end it here. It's not going anyplace.

[worth]

Yes, I understand your point. You keep repeating evidence, evidence, evidence. There is no evidence for either, I understand this. However, there is a greater statistical probability for one over the other based on the ability to prove one, (meaning we can discover them, or them us) while the other can not be proven.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by worth

Yes, I understand your point. You keep repeating evidence, evidence, evidence. There is no evidence for either, I understand this. However, there is a greater statistical probability for one over the other based on the ability to prove one, (meaning we can discover them, or them us) while the other can not be proven.

The first part is what the argument began as, the last part is you bringing something up that doesn't have to do with the debate. I keep repeating evidence because that's what FoxMulder originally brought up.

How? Theres more evidence towards Aliens being real, then "god"

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by FoxMulder91

Sorry to say, but UFO's, Eye witness reports, etc are evidence.

You don't have to be sorry, because you are incorrect. They are evidence of nothing. Show me a body, a space craft, a photograph that isn't blurry, or video footage that isn't of a blurry dot at night. Your "evidence" is wildly inconsistent and rests solely on the basis of "well because I don't know what it is, therefore it's aliens." You are missing a step.

[speede5]

We had a crop circle 1/2 mile away from the house this year. Kids were up late and it would have been right out their window and no one noticed a thing.

Area 51 is a military test facility. How does that prove aliens exist?

The Bible's mere existence and history is more evidence pointing towards God than any of the theories on alien life. Let's be clear, were not talking about microbes in a martian ice cap, we're talking about little green men who hide in the sky, observe, and occasionally kidnap people and expierement with anal probes.

I do believe the OP saw what he saw, there have been tons of UFO sightings, but they are Unidentified. No one has proof any of them ever had an alien lifeform aboard.

[FoxMulder91]

The Vatican says life on Mars cannot be ruled out

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7399661.stm