Hussein to be hung soon; Dead as of Dec 29th.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Azure

Eh?

cause and effect.

iraq's entire military infrastructure was destroyed from the first gulf war.

previous to the first gulf war they had been the target of military planners in the US and israel since at least 1983, way too progressive, would eventually be way too strong.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I believe he is referring to their political bravado, not necessarily their military might.

i didn't post those two things in chronological order is all.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

For the love of God...how many times do I have to say this to you people...

Iraq POSESSED WMD's. That's why the UN weapons inspectors were there post Gulf War in the first place. Part of the agreement at the end of that war was to have those inspectors oversee and document the dismantling and destruction of his arsenal and delivery systems associated with them. That task was not complete at the time Hussein expelled the inspectors.....several times.

The final UNSC resolution before THIS war gave Hussein the opportunity to account for the WMD's that had not yet been destroyed prior to the inspectors being expelled.

These are undeniable facts.

Why you people continue to throw irrelevant and revisionist information out to refute this is beyond me.

What part of this is so difficult for you to grasp?

There are no WMD to be found. What part of that can't you understand?

The US of Dubya couldn't find them. Neither could the UN. Both admitted there were none after 1994.

Can you accept the fact inspectors were wrong?

But U.N. reports submitted to the Security Council before the war by Hans Blix, former chief U.N. arms inspector, and Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog agency, have been largely validated by U.S. weapons teams. The common findings:

Iraq's nuclear weapons program was dormant.

No evidence was found to suggest Iraq possessed chemical or biological weapons. U.N. officials believe the weapons were destroyed by U.N. inspectors or Iraqi officials in the years after the 1991 Gulf War.
Iraq was attempting to develop missiles capable of exceeding a U.N.-mandated limit of 93 miles.

Demetrius Perricos, the acting executive chairman of the U.N. inspection teams, said in an interview that the failure to find banned weapons in Iraq since the war undercuts administration criticism of the U.N.'s search before the war.

"You cannot say that only the Americans or the British or the Australians currently inspecting in Iraq are the clever inspectors — and the Americans and the British and the Australians that we had were not," he said.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...2-un-wmd_x.htm

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Dion

There are no WMD to be found. What part of that can't you understand?

The US of Dubya couldn't find them. Neither could the UN. Both admitted there were none after 1994.

Can you accept the fact inspectors were wrong?



http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/i...2-un-wmd_x.htm

I admitted that a long time ago.

Has ZERO to do with what I said.

Are you going to reply to what I posted or continue with your hindsight info?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I believe he is referring to their political bravado, not necessarily their military might.

Ah.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Saddam HAD WMD's. It's a FACT. What happened to them? The final UN resolution demanded that Saddam account for them and he didn't.

I believe Bush invaded because of a fear that those WMD's could end up in the hands of the wrong people...among other reasons.

Don't talk down to me Vulcan. I am not part of the crowd that you are trying to slot me in.

Yeah Saddam had WMD but not when the US invaded. He had been skin frisked, body cavity searched and put under 24 hr. surveillance. Who cares what happened to them other than if the terrorists got them. They were gone and Saddam didn't want to account for them because all he had left was a bluff. Europe knew it, Canada knew it, the UN knew it and you're saying Bush didn't know it. Colin Powell looked like a sacrificial lamb in front of the UN while he lied for Bush and you still believe him. I'm not saying Canada or Europe were smarter, just that they were more removed from the fall out and anger of 9/11. Sometimes listening to your friends is a good idea.

[Flames_Gimp]

I don't care how/why Bush started the war.. the world is a better place without Saddam..He had it comin.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Azure

Ah.

nope.

was referring to iraq being targeted before the first gulf war, LONG before the first gulf war, because of the strength and intelligence of the iraqi nation.

this mindset seems bizarre until one reads books by former mossad agents.

'by way of deception' by victor ostrovsky had me quaking with rage just by normal mossad operating principles, letalone all the criminal stuff they get into (as does any intelligence agency with a blank cheque. must be the secrecy and the trust!).

the mossad in the book are documented knocking off arab scientists not for infrastructure or nuclear technology they might be working on, but because they are too smart and might pose a threat to god's chosen if allowed the free will to do so.

this VERY ATTITUDE of treating the mideast's brainstrust as the nazis treated poland's during ww2, is REASON #1 that the west is having any trouble at all 'relating to these backward people'.

remove israel's god complex (tough to break because god told them to take that land and kill everyone else on it...), and the problems in the mideast disappear overnight. yoiu cannot take more and more and still more from a people that you have completely imasculated, eventually they may actually not like you very much.

this of course is the plan, in a microcosm sense just like pentagon doctrine P2OG - 'stimulate reaction' in iraq.

tell black world, black ops to 'stimulate reaction' and give them a few billion, and you get what we have now.

exactly how many mosque bombings in iraq before it became an SAS, mossad, and CIA playground...?

how many iraqi scientists, teachers, engineers, et al have been murdered under suspicious circumstances under the catchall 'sectarian violence'?

how many western intelligence agents have to be caught dressed as arabs before we figure this out? think we can piece it together? doctrines written decades ago for very specific purposes, means motive and opportunity, shreds of truth even flashing across the BBC once in awhile?

nah, let's go get them a-rabs!

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Yeah Saddam had WMD but not when the US invaded. He had been skin frisked, body cavity searched and put under 24 hr. surveillance. Who cares what happened to them other than if the terrorists got them. They were gone and Saddam didn't want to account for them because all he had left was a bluff. Europe knew it, Canada knew it, the UN knew it and you're saying Bush didn't know it. Colin Powell looked like a sacrificial lamb in front of the UN while he lied for Bush and you still believe him. I'm not saying Canada or Europe were smarter, just that they were more removed from the fall out and anger of 9/11. Sometimes listening to your friends is a good idea.

If the UN knew it why did they demand he account for them and promise harsh reprecussions if he did not?

I'd appreciate it if you'd stop putting words in my mouth as well.

[Looger]

ah, yes.

the US listens to the UN when it's in their interests.

they have a curious habit of vetoing anything that the UN demands israel do or stop doing, but suddenly they'll listen to the UN on iraq???

what a joke.

the iraqi defiance of the UN was a big deal because of our media making it a big deal. they didn't make too much hey when the UN demanded that israel stop slaughtering lebanese civilians last summer...

or when the UN demanded that israel pull out of lebanon, in their 'peace in gallillee' campaign, they were occupying a foreign country for 18 years!

yeah, the UN demanded saddam disarm, that's the reason iraq was invaded...

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Looger

ah, yes.

the US listens to the UN when it's in their interests.

they have a curious habit of vetoing anything that the UN demands israel do or stop doing, but suddenly they'll listen to the UN on iraq???

what a joke.

the iraqi defiance of the UN was a big deal because of our media making it a big deal. they didn't make too much hey when the UN demanded that israel stop slaughtering lebanese civilians last summer...

or when the UN demanded that israel pull out of lebanon, in their 'peace in gallillee' campaign, they were occupying a foreign country for 18 years!

yeah, the UN demanded saddam disarm, that's the reason iraq was invaded...

That's not what my post intimated at all. Would you like to try again?

The poster I repsonded to said the UN KNEW before the invasion that Saddam had no WMD's....simply not true.

[Looger]

saddam's regime was one of a dozen or maybe closer to a hundred that you could accuse of having WMD's based on previous ownership, that would be defiant at least a little bit when the big boys start pushing it around.

iraq complied far, far more with UN demands than israel ever has regarding WMD inspections.

this double standard is so ridiculous, that it colours absolutely all diplomatic relations in the mideast, and until this is rectified, every country accused of something will be defiant.

accusing someone of something does not make them guilty.

this entire train of logic is so bizarre when looked upon objectively that it strains my brain to imagine anyone buying this trainload of bull****.

[Looger]

the UN doesn't KNOW conclusively that canada doesn't have WMD's, better invade.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Looger

the UN doesn't KNOW conclusively that canada doesn't have WMD's, better invade.

When did Ottawa gas an Inuit village?

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

When did Ottawa gas an Inuit village?

once again, crime committed while the US stood by and said NOTHING at the time.

does this mean that GWB or america should be held accountable for the horrors in iraq?

because if we're prosecuting ALL crimes here, saddam is WAY WAY down the list, WAY WAY below suharto in his US-sponsored orgy of destruction in east timor, WAY WAY below pol pot and his US-sponored orgy of destruction in cambodia, WAY WAY

why bother, i'm, WAY WAY done trying to bring logic into a discussion that is WAY WAY illogical in the first place.

well, we've invaded a country, better find an excuse. oh really? uh, well this is the reason we invaded. you don't say? well, uh, that is the reason we invaded.

if you don't figure this out now, and quick, then this whole woirld is in a lot of trouble. desires this dark, agendas this crooked, hearts this black do not get satisfied.

[Azure]

You're spinning your words to make it seem like Saddam didn't deserve to be killed.

He did....end of story.

Sure we learn a lot from reading history, but we can't change it.

Saddam deserved what he got.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Azure

You're spinning your words to make it seem like Saddam didn't deserve to be killed.

not ANYWHERE did i say that, and your crap is really stinky on this one Azure, even for you.

you're lying.

Originally Posted by Azure

He did....end of story.

no argument there, he got his.

Originally Posted by Azure

Sure we learn a lot from reading history, but we can't change it.

i really doubt you're reading the tea leaves on this one...

Originally Posted by Azure

Saddam deserved what he got.

i wish the same fate to all planted stooges.

why were his people so thoroughly punished?

Azure, you've lied enough for one thread, go chase me around another one please, or better yet keep your baseless accusations and bull**** to pm's.

[Vulcan]

[quote=Azure;698501



Sure we learn a lot from reading history, but we can't change it.

[/quote]

Sure we can. Haven't you heard that the winners write their own history. Believe about half of what you read.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Sure we can. Haven't you heard that the winners write their own history. Believe about half of what you read.

Does that apply to Looger as well?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Does that apply to Looger as well?

Sure, it applys to almost everybody. The difference is Looger knows this too, lots don't.