Hussein to be hung soon; Dead as of Dec 29th.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

totally... and the 911 planes were painted up un-man'd military planes shooting missiles before impact!

really?

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=33064

couldn't find that in any of these movies...

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Relax, take ten quiet breaths.
I sometimes get exasperated with seemingly intelligent posters who ignore basic facts and it's the only conclusion I can come to. Argue against the meat of my statement.

Why did I need to relax? I was far from exasperated! I was just pointing out your folly.

The meat of your statement is that if the US hadn't tried to link Iraq to 9/11 (which I find debatable anyway) that Hussein wouldn't be hanging today.

I completely disagree. The US did not invade Iraq based on some non-existant responsibiltiy for what happened on September 11, 2001. They invaded based on Hussein's failure to account for the destruction of his arsenal of WMD's....DOCUMENTED WMD'S (here's where you guys ignore basic facts every single time by the way).

Hussein was doomed to hang the day he gassed that village.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Jiggy_12

So what were you asking for when you requested the link?

well i didn't say "can you post the link"

but what a stupid thing to pick a part to start an arguement

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Looger

really?

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=33064

couldn't find that in any of these movies...

guess you never watched that stupid 911 conspiracy movie...loose change. anyways thats the BS they were trying to argue in the first 10 mins of the show.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

guess you never watched that stupid 911 conspiracy movie...loose change. anyways thats the BS they were trying to argue in the first 10 mins of the show.

oh, i watched it.

but there have been many films and many much better arguments, why don't you take a look, all those films are free online.

9/11 press for truth, 9/11 mysteries, even the movie in my signature?

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Looger

oh, i watched it.

but there have been many films and many much better arguments, why don't you take a look, all those films are free online.

9/11 press for truth, 9/11 mysteries, even the movie in my signature?

I'll never believe any of the conspiracy theories, so I don't like to watch those movies.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

I'll never believe any of the conspiracy theories, so I don't like to watch those movies.

well, i genuinely hope you enjoy the execution.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Looger

well, i genuinely hope you enjoy the execution.

oh, I will..Hussein was responsible for alot of death. good riddance!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Why did I need to relax? I was far from exasperated! I was just pointing out your folly.

The meat of your statement is that if the US hadn't tried to link Iraq to 9/11 (which I find debatable anyway) that Hussein wouldn't be hanging today.

I completely disagree. The US did not invade Iraq based on some non-existant responsibiltiy for what happened on September 11, 2001. They invaded based on Hussein's failure to account for the destruction of his arsenal of WMD's....DOCUMENTED WMD'S (here's where you guys ignore basic facts every single time by the way).

Hussein was doomed to hang the day he gassed that village.

You still believe that Bush believed Saddam had WMD?

Bush didn't care how many villages Saddam gassed. Do you still believe that he went into Iraq to bring democracy?

It's pretty much an open and shut case that Bush and his cronies were lying. As long as there are people like you, there will be people like Bush leading you by your nose into another senseless war.

You're right though, the US did not invade Iraq because of 9/11 but they convinced the public that was the case because they needed the voters support. It gets dirtier the more you look at it.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You still believe that Bush believed Saddam had WMD?

Bush didn't care how many villages Saddam gassed. Do you still believe that he went into Iraq to bring democracy?

It's pretty much an open and shut case that Bush and his cronies were lying. As long as there are people like you, there will be people like Bush leading you by your nose into another senseless war.

You're right though, the US did not invade Iraq because of 9/11 but they convinced the public that was the case because they needed the voters support. It gets dirtier the more you look at it.

Saddam HAD WMD's. It's a FACT. What happened to them? The final UN resolution demanded that Saddam account for them and he didn't.

I believe Bush invaded because of a fear that those WMD's could end up in the hands of the wrong people...among other reasons.

Don't talk down to me Vulcan. I am not part of the crowd that you are trying to slot me in.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Saddam HAD WMD's. It's a FACT. What happened to them? The final UN resolution demanded that Saddam account for them and he didn't.

Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group., testified before the Senate Amed Services committee that Saddam had no WMD.

“As matters now stand, the WMD investigation has gone as far as feasible,” concluded Mr Duelfer in the report. “After more than 18 months, the WMD investigation and debriefing of the WMD-related detainees has been exhausted.”

The ISG also found no evidence to support allegations that Iraq had moved WMD to Syria before the war, which some administration officials had said was possible.

John Shaw, then a deputy undersecretary of defence, in October said Russian “units” had helped move weapons out of Iraq to Syria. But Pentagon officials dismissed the allegations, which were also denied by the Russians.

Mr Duelfer said: “Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place.”

That report prompted President George W. Bush to admit that much of the US intelligence used to justify the war in Iraq was “wrong”.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/b8956280-b67...00e2511c8.html

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Dion

Charles Duelfer, head of the Iraq Survey Group., testified before the Senate Amed Services committee that Saddam had no WMD.



http://www.ft.com/cms/s/b8956280-b67...00e2511c8.html

For the love of God...how many times do I have to say this to you people...

Iraq POSESSED WMD's. That's why the UN weapons inspectors were there post Gulf War in the first place. Part of the agreement at the end of that war was to have those inspectors oversee and document the dismantling and destruction of his arsenal and delivery systems associated with them. That task was not complete at the time Hussein expelled the inspectors.....several times.

The final UNSC resolution before THIS war gave Hussein the opportunity to account for the WMD's that had not yet been destroyed prior to the inspectors being expelled.

These are undeniable facts.

Why you people continue to throw irrelevant and revisionist information out to refute this is beyond me.

What part of this is so difficult for you to grasp?

[Looger]

america itself compromised the integrity of the UNSCOM inspections, and i am very sick of hearing that saddam wsn't complying when the very chance to comply was impossible.

this invasion was coming.

one way or another.

christmas morning came for the neocons in 9/11, who was santa claus?

[Madman]

The video I saw was the hanging itself and of him afterwards just "hanging around". It is a supposed leaked cell phone video. He did go very quickly though.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Looger

america itself compromised the integrity of the UNSCOM inspections, and i am very sick of hearing that saddam wsn't complying when the very chance to comply was impossible.

this invasion was coming.

one way or another.

christmas morning came for the neocons in 9/11, who was santa claus?

Whether that's true or not, it has nothing to do with my point in this thread...so if you wan't to argue that point go ahead, but none of this change of directions stuff.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Bill Clinton isn't a neocon.

where did i claim that?

interesting trick!

of course he's not. but guess what, the current administration has to deal with the reality of situations as presented to them, and something that america did 5 years before the invasion is VERY MUCH RELEVANT.

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Whether that's true or not, it has nothing to do with my point in this thread...so if you wan't to argue that point go ahead, but none of this change of directions stuff.

yep, nothing is related to anything else.

9/11 and iraq are totally separate in the minds of americans.

saddam was never sold WMDs by the very people vilifying him for possessing them, even when he didn't have them anymore.

this is all such a farce. people will come up with excuses after the fact becuase they cannot admit it to themselves - THEY WERE DUPED.

fine, i'm done discussing this, because discussion for you is putting words in my mouth anyway.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Looger, I merged your two thoughts...as a result, I removed the Clinton comment...was it that big of a deal anyway?

Take your ball and go home...fine. I haven't put any words in your mouth...nice try.

BTW..haven't disagreed with anything you said EXCEPT that 9/11 is the reason that Hussein is dead. Nothing more.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Looger, I merged your two thoughts...as a result, I removed the Clinton comment...was it that big of a deal anyway?

Take your ball and go home...fine. I haven't put any words in your mouth...nice try.

BTW..haven't disagreed with anything you said EXCEPT that 9/11 is the reason that Hussein is dead. Nothing more.

well, there's some words right there.

i think that 9/11 is what sold american citizens on going into iraq.

the reason saddam is dead is because he was building a successful and independent country in the middle east, and he wasn't following orders anymore - when kuwait and saudi arabia backed out of paying for the iran-iraq war iraq was broke, the US didn't say boo when iraq said they were going to take it out of kuwait's hide.

war, sanctions, constant bombings, and iraq is a total shambles. WMD's? good god what a farce, saddam's entire military infrastructure was boned to dust.

iraq was too strong, and had to go. they didn't follow opec's production quotas. they didn't give complete control of their petroleum reserves to western interests. they were starting to sell oil in euros ( a growing trend nowadays by the way).

not one of the actual reasons for the war involve some village this dictator destroyed 21 years before the invasion.

'hey saddam you killed all kinds of people 20+ years ago with weapons we sold you and undoubtedly some deployment cooperation and advisors recording the results because we gassed and killed our own soldiers under project shad for decades so we're going to invade your country and plunge it into chaos and 650,000+ people will die in said chaos to add to the million plus mostly from sanctions the decade before and now you'll be executed. you sure had this coming!'

-sincerely, america.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Looger

saddam's entire military infrastructure was boned to dust.

iraq was too strong, and had to go.

Eh?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Eh?

I believe he is referring to their political bravado, not necessarily their military might.