"Anti-US"

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

• By being over critical of the US, you play into the hands of extremists.

Nah. Canadians have a history of being critical of the U.S. that pre-dates the modern day conflicts with extremists. The day that extremists are able to dictate to us how we should think and react to American foreign policy will be a sad day indeed.

• The US is sacrificing its young men and women in battle, is increasing its indebtedness, and is receiving very little appreciation for anything it does.

Appreciation for something that most of the world told them not to do? Appreciation for making the world a more dangerous place by invading Iraq?

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Nah. Canadians have a history of being critical of the U.S. that pre-dates the modern day conflicts with extremists. The day that extremists are able to dictate to us how we should think and react to American foreign policy will be a sad day indeed.

Appreciation for something that most of the world told them not to do? Appreciation for making the world a more dangerous place by invading Iraq?

I remember the days when Canadians didn't define themselves solely as 'different' from Americans.. Ahhh... those were the days. Too bad we have lately treated ourselves like the caring eunuch privately muttering insults to the king under their breath. That is starting to change. Who would have thunk it, the government is taking steps to give Canada a voice on the world stage that is independant and not reflexively 'not whatever the Americans are doing'... I wonder if we are ready, especially after reading the ravings of the 20-somethings on this board.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

• You can take any action and look at it cynically or the opposite. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle.

Wow, you think that one up by yourself? That was deep. Can I use that in my dissertation?

• By being over critical of the US, you play into the hands of extremists.

But what happens when the United States is just as extreme as those extremists they are "fighting"? Sorry, the United States reaps what it sows.

• The US has already shown signs of becoming more protectionist in nature i.e. the softwood lumber dispute, BSE etc. Many believe that one of the main causes of the Great Depression of the 30’s was a rise in protectionism throughout the world.

The United States has been protectionist in its economy for decades, and will continue to do so to its advantage. Criticism has nothing to do with it. Making money has everything to do with it.

• The world needs the US and no country more than Canada.

You're right. The world NEEDS the greatest consumer of products to remain consuming. What they don't need is the United States trapsing around the globe trying to install their twisted little version of democracy, only to see it blow up into a bloody civil war. America should do what it does best, and that's consume.

• The US is sacrificing its young men and women in battle, is increasing its indebtedness, and is receiving very little appreciation for anything it does.

Now why would anyone want to show them any appreciation? No one asked them to go into Iraq. That was their choice and they did so under the objections of the international community AND their own military leadership. So no one will be shedding a tear when there is a long line of body bags and casualties heading back to the United States, they brought this on themselves.

It seems obvious, at this point in time, that the US is over sensitive to criticism. Who wouldn’t be under the circumstances?

If the United States is sensitive to criticism, then they should not play in spaces where they will draw criticism for their actions.

Just my opinion

It is that.

[HOOT]

If you don't like the States you have a few chocies:

1. Don't live down there
2. Move further away
3. End your life and you won't have to deal with it

It is their country they can run it how they want. My opinion is that I like the things they do, they don't take **** and will deal with their problems. Instead we live in Canada where we are all buddy buddy with everyone and let everybody in...if you don't think once they are done trying to bomb the US that they won't be coming to Canada to do the same you are just kidding yourself. Canada needs to be tighter with the people they let into this country because it is just turning into a big mess!!!

[Flash Walken]

Good to know racism is alive and well.

[Calgaryborn]

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51500

Here's a link to an article that does a good job of addressing some
of the blindness being illustrated on this board. Lanny you are the intellectual that Aristotle is speaking of. Such blind hate!

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51500

Here's a link to an article that does a good job of addressing some
of the blindness being illustrated on this board. Lanny you are the intellectual that Aristotle is speaking of. Such blind hate!

Oh my god, quoting Ted Byfield and a WorldNetDaily article in one fell swoop! Real boost to your credability there! Did you bother to read the article AND digest what that bigotted senile old fool is saying?

"...along with the rest of the liberal media, the Globe has invented the adjective "Islamist" to distinguish those who favor indiscriminate murder in the name of God from the merely "Islamic" who presumably don't."

Seems old Uncle Ted is saying that all Muslims are ther same, and in his (and your) opinion they are all plotting to murder us all in our sleep. Wow. Just wow.

And don't talk to me about hate after the wonderful display of bigotry you put on in the thread on religion. You're the type of person that spread hate with your uneducated and mindless ways. The way you profess to be this all loving person, yet call anyone who does not follow the same religion you do as wrong and not worthy of the same air you breathe, is disgusting. But hey, you got your uncle Ted to emulate!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51500

Here's a link to an article that does a good job of addressing some
of the blindness being illustrated on this board. Lanny you are the intellectual that Aristotle is speaking of. Such blind hate!

Laugh. An article from Ted Byfield?

I promise to admit to being blind about this religious war that I'm apparently in if you promise to enlist in the American service and go fight it.

You "The Infidels are Coming" types are worse than the peaceniks and pinkos. You know the enemy is coming and you don't do anything about it. What are you, some kind of coward?

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Oh my god, quoting Ted Byfield and a WorldNetDaily article in one fell swoop! Real boost to your credability there! Did you bother to read the article AND digest what that bigotted senile old fool is saying?

"...along with the rest of the liberal media, the Globe has invented the adjective "Islamist" to distinguish those who favor indiscriminate murder in the name of God from the merely "Islamic" who presumably don't."

Seems old Uncle Ted is saying that all Muslims are ther same, and in his (and your) opinion they are all plotting to murder us all in our sleep. Wow. Just wow.

And don't talk to me about hate after the wonderful display of bigotry you put on in the thread on religion. You're the type of person that spread hate with your uneducated and mindless ways. The way you profess to be this all loving person, yet call anyone who does not follow the same religion you do as wrong and not worthy of the same air you breathe, is disgusting. But hey, you got your uncle Ted to emulate!

I knew you would like the source. I mean it wouldn't matter if I collected quotes from all the Islamic nations around Israel and all the terrorist organizations. Your hatred for Bush blinds you to truth. Islam has gained territory by bloodshed since their prophet set them on that path. Jihad has always meant holy war. The goal of Islam has always been the converting of the world to Islam. The means has traditionally been by Jihad. Those who die in Jihad are the only Muslims who are sure of heaven and heavenly rewards. Moderate peace loving Muslims are equivalent to liberal Christians. They have compromised their faith. But you can't see; you are blind. You discredit the messenger because you refuse to see the clear message.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Laugh. An article from Ted Byfield?

I promise to admit to being blind about this religious war that I'm apparently in if you promise to enlist in the American service and go fight it.

You "The Infidels are Coming" types are worse than the peaceniks and pinkos. You know the enemy is coming and you don't do anything about it. What are you, some kind of coward?

The problem with ignoring the motives is it allows for wrong solutions. There are people on this board who think that we can appease these groups. They think if Israel gives more land or if America stays home these groups will cease to function. They don't want to punish Israel and America: they want them destroyed. They freely state this when they aren't talking to the UN or the BBC. The liberals think they are just mad. It's the liberals that are mad(mentally) The reason Israel won't leave the occupied territories is that it is the high ground. They left Lebanon 8 years ago under gun fire and now they have missiles raining down on their people. Israel wants peace so bad they often get sucked in to peace agreements which just weaken their position. Hezbollah will continue fighting Israel until they are all sent to their heaven or Israel is destroyed. Iran is attempting to Nuclear weapons and if they succeed they will use them.; Probably on America.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

The problem with ignoring the motives is it allows for wrong solutions. There are people on this board who think that we can appease these groups. They think if Israel gives more land or if America stays home these groups will cease to function. They don't want to punish Israel and America: they want them destroyed. They freely state this when they aren't talking to the UN or the BBC. The liberals think they are just mad. It's the liberals that are mad(mentally) The reason Israel won't leave the occupied territories is that it is the high ground. They left Lebanon 8 years ago under gun fire and now they have missiles raining down on their people. Israel wants peace so bad they often get sucked in to peace agreements which just weaken their position. Hezbollah will continue fighting Israel until they are all sent to their heaven or Israel is destroyed. Iran is attempting to Nuclear weapons and if they succeed they will use them.; Probably on America.

So are you going to enlist or not? You recognize the dangers, so what are you waiting for?

[Lucky boy]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Islam has gained territory by bloodshed since their prophet set them on that path. Jihad has always meant holy war. The goal of Islam has always been the converting of the world to Islam. The means has traditionally been by Jihad. Those who die in Jihad are the only Muslims who are sure of heaven and heavenly rewards. Moderate peace loving Muslims are equivalent to liberal Christians. They have compromised their faith.

Excellent post man. The blatant spreading of hate put the warmth back in my heart.

Good thing Isreal is around to deal with these people. Oh no... I am gonna get called anti-sematic for that comment

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by fotze

When the heart and stroke foundation comes to my door, I tell them to come back once Ted Byfield has had his heart attack. Only then will I fight the scourge of heart disease.

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha, awesome.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

So are you going to enlist or not? You recognize the dangers, so what are you waiting for?

I am close to 41 years old. I doubt if they would have a need for me.

Also, if you are implying that we should respond by killing all Muslim, I disagree. What the powers within our governments need to do is recognize the threat and act accordingly. An example would be Lebanon. The war should continue until all the rockets and launchers have been destroyed along with those who man them. Iran needs to have their Nuclear capabilities destroyed before they are at a point where they can use them. Also, in our countries Muslims should continue to be watched.

[Lucky boy]

unbelievable

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I knew you would like the source. I mean it wouldn't matter if I collected quotes from all the Islamic nations around Israel and all the terrorist organizations. Your hatred for Bush blinds you to truth.

Actually, your heading being firmly planted in the ass of the Christian right has blinded you to the truth. Because Bush is a Christian you just blindly say that what his administration is doing is right, not bothering to even understand the issues.

Islam has gained territory by bloodshed since their prophet set them on that path.

And that is different from any other culture/religion? If you think Islam is the only religion to gain territory through war you're a completely lost cause.

Jihad has always meant holy war.

No, jihad's literal translation is struggle. To a muslim there are many types of jihads. The classifications are as follows:

Jihad of the heart/soul (jihad bin nafs/qalb) is an inner struggle of good against evil in the mind, through concepts such as tawhid.
Jihad by the tongue (jihad bil lisan) is a struggle of good against evil waged by writing and speech, such as in the form of dawah (proselytizing), Khutbas (sermons), and political or military propaganda.
Jihad by the pen and knowledge (jihad bil qalam/ilm) is a struggle for good against evil through scholarly study of Islam, ijtihad (legal reasoning), and through sciences (such as military and medical sciences).
Jihad by the hand (jihad bil yad) refers to a struggle of good against evil waged by actions or with one's wealth, such as going on the Hajj pilgrimage (seen as the best jihad for women), taking care of elderly parents, providing funding for jihad, political activity for furthering the cause of Islam, stopping evil by force, or espionage.
Jihad of peace refers to the struggle to make peace in the world, everywhere and anywhere.
Jihad by the sword (jihad bis saif) refers to qital fi sabilillah (armed fighting in the way of God, or holy war).

It is the jihad by the sword that you seemingly think that all Muslims are waging against everyone that is not Muslim.

What you do fail to understand is that jihad by the sword can only be called by a religious leader and must comply to the rules of the Qur'an and Hadith. The many calls for jihad that you reference are are righteous as the calls Pat Robertson makes to assassinate foreign leaders.

The goal of Islam has always been the converting of the world to Islam.

And Christains aren't? Better tell all them ****ing Mormons, Jehovas and Born Agains that keep coming to my door and flogging their moronic drivel at my door.

The means has traditionally been by Jihad. Those who die in Jihad are the only Muslims who are sure of heaven and heavenly rewards.

Well, that's a lie. That's like saying only the most pious of Christians make it to heaven and everyone else burns in hell. That would be a gross exaggeration.

Moderate peace loving Muslims are equivalent to liberal Christians. They have compromised their faith.

You really are full of ****. How dare you say that anyone has compromised anything! Religion is a very personal thing and it is between their God and themselves. You have no right to judge anyone's commitment to their religion but your own.

But you can't see; you are blind. You discredit the messenger because you refuse to see the clear message.

The only message I see is that you're a racist, plain and simple.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Well it's certainly shouldn't be the only way to 'gain perspective on history' but it can add to it, sure. D-Day veterans said it was the best movie about it yet. You have to take that into account.

When did Agamemnon becomethe expert on history anyways?

I don't recall saying I was. I said movies tend to romantacize US involvement in WWII. Azure got confused and started posting nonsense in response.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

An example would be Lebanon. The war should continue until all the rockets and launchers have been destroyed along with those who man them. Iran needs to have their Nuclear capabilities destroyed before they are at a point where they can use them. Also, in our countries Muslims should continue to be watched.

I hope you're willing to part with your whole paycheck for the rest of your life then... 'cause this war you speak of will never end.

This is not the solution. No where close to the solution. I don't have a good one on the tip of my tongue, but I know that the one you speak of above sure isn't it.

"Also, in our countries, Muslims should continue to be watched." So should Christians and Jews and all other people. Watch those that give a clue that they're up to no good... and the color of their skin or what they wear on their head or body are not grounds for surveillance.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I am close to 41 years old. I doubt if they would have a need for me.

Also, if you are implying that we should respond by killing all Muslim, I disagree. What the powers within our governments need to do is recognize the threat and act accordingly. An example would be Lebanon. The war should continue until all the rockets and launchers have been destroyed along with those who man them. Iran needs to have their Nuclear capabilities destroyed before they are at a point where they can use them. Also, in our countries Muslims should continue to be watched.

Using your age as a cop-out is pretty weak. 41 isn't that old. There are players in the NHL older than you. Seems to me that if you really believe the heathen hordes are looking to kill you and take over the world, you wouldn't let a silly thing like your age stop you from fighting back.

I'm a little long-in-the-tooth for military service myself, but if I honestly believed that some religious lunatics of any denomination were cooking up a plot to take over the world and convert or kill me, I'd do something about it. Only a coward would sit idly by in the face of such danger, no matter how old he is.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I am close to 41 years old. I doubt if they would have a need for me.

Also, if you are implying that we should respond by killing all Muslim, I disagree. What the powers within our governments need to do is recognize the threat and act accordingly. An example would be Lebanon. The war should continue until all the rockets and launchers have been destroyed along with those who man them. Iran needs to have their Nuclear capabilities destroyed before they are at a point where they can use them. Also, in our countries Muslims should continue to be watched.

The French Foreign Legion dosen't care about age. They'll take anyone that can get to Paris who is in generally good health