How satisfied are you with the Nazem Kadri deal

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Wolven

That is a lot of years of Wolf, Parekh, Coronato, Gridin, Zary, etc. to waste. I want management to smartly build around these guys and not follow the sentiments of fans that the rebuild just started. In short, building around these existing assets is not "rushing".

First consideration: Player retention - These young players could play through a couple of bad seasons if they see the building blocks coming in to pull out of the rebuild sooner than later. If the rebuild is going to be 5+ years then the chances of keeping these guys in 2031 will shrink. They may or may not demand a trade but after living in the league basement for nearly a decade they will increasingly not want to sign an extension with the Flames when the RFA handcuffs come off.

We need 2026 to be a big draft for the Flames to help with player retention. My hope is 3 picks in the 1st round with a top 2 pick and then another top 10 pick (my expectation is we won't get that).

Second consideration: The way the team and the prospect pipeline is built right now, we have a few potential stars and lot of good middle and depth players. The pipeline is just missing superstar player(s) to build out the top line. Dragging out a rebuild to "do it properly" is arguable the wrong move as it wastes all of the existing assets when you really only need 2-3 high-end additions (and a few years of maturing) to turn this team around.

So, yes, in a general way I agree that having long term inputs will help the team. However, that does not change the fact that the trade fails to meet two big requirements: Urgency to support the existing young players, nor does it address the team's biggest needs (future #1C or top line wingers).

That is the whole punchline of the quality over quantity argument to *this* specific rebuild. We have too many existing pieces to pretend that there are no consequences to a long rebuild or to keep missing on addressing the team's biggest need while piling on pieces we have tonnes of already.

Breaking down the trade:
- Moving out Kadri = Great, he clearly needed/wanted to go and his demoralized play was only going to reduce his value
- Sending a 2027 4th = Fine. On the one hand, that 2027 4th might have more value than Curran who was a 5th in 2024. On the other hand, sending this pick was probably needed to get the 1st and 2nd.
- 2028 1st = Great, not excellent because of the number of years out. Goes down in score if it slides to 2029.
- 2027 2nd = Good.
- Olofsson = Meh.
- Curran = Meh, we picked Luke Misa 11 spots ahead of this guy. Both are long shots to make the NHL but I think Misa has a stronger chance to surprise us.

Giving the 8/10 is entirely because we got a 1st back but this was not a home run and one could argue that the 1st is a wash because of the 1st Tre spent to make room for Kadri.

I'm obviously not opposed to a speed rebuild, however.

I don't see how they're "wasting" those players you mentioned, Wolf especially. He'd have just reached his likely prime at that point.

More generally however, if the team doesn't suck, then nothing is wasted. Those players are playing for the Flames.

You dont have to be in immediate cup contention for players to play meaningful games in a Flames jersey. To me that kind of attitude is what tends to drive teams (Canadian teams especially) to try to force things and rush things, leading to much more wasted potential than when teams get to develop for a long time.

If Zary and Wolf are the grizzly vets on this team when they win the next cup, the rebuild will have been an absolute success, and there would be nothing wasted. They can go on playoff runs before that, with the guys drafted in -29 entering the team when its alreasy pretty good.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Who they draft is not relevant to the trade.

If they draft a stud, or a bust, that's on the scouts, not the trade value of the pick today.

Judge the trade based on the perceived value of a late round pick.

That's how I see it too...

1st round pick in 2028 is worth X
2nd round pick is worth Y
Prospect is worth z

Trade value already known.

Now it's two different departments ... scouting and development.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's how I see it too...

1st round pick in 2028 is worth X
2nd round pick is worth Y
Prospect is worth z

Well, the prospect is obviously a bust. He doesn't even get a capital letter!

[Shazam]

I'm in bed with a cigarette.

[dino7c]

I think most people thought the signing was okay to good in the short term but they would pay for it on the backend. They got the good years and then got a haul for the backend. Its remarkable really.

Colorado could have signed him for the retained amount in the first place lol

[jayswin]

Nm

[Itse]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I'd be very curious on the rational for this.

Could be Flames players, or staff?

[SutterBrother]

As a long suffering fan of the Calgary Flames (like 45 years) here's the biggest difference.

Craig Conroy.

He's not doing this job to advance his career. He's not looking to eventually become the GM of Toronto or the Rangers. He probably doesn't even give a tinker's cuss about the money.

He's a former Flame, a former captain, and THANK GOD, not just an "old boy". He actually has business acumen based on the moves we've seen in the past 2 years.

As a former elite athlete he is hyper-competitive, super accomplished and all of that is now solely directed towards the advancement of the Calgary Flames.

To have all that and in addition Kadri leaves here and then positively GUSHES about how great the Flames (i.e. Craig) were to him... well that really just shows what good hands we are in.

Great trade, sure. But it's 10/10 because it's such an example of where this team is going due to Craig's leadership.