[PGT] Leafs 4 Flames 3

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

No because those are penalties. But they do review plays for missed stoppages like stepping out of bounds.

Stepping out of bounds is not equivalent to a "stoppage" in hockey. In football you can challenge spot of the ball because that is in fact the purpose of the game, advancing the ball down the field.

[Leo]

To me it looks like coleman wanted to catch it and pass it to himself but it hit his glove and bounced towards tavares and oesterle 50/50 play they both went for it and it ended up on backlunds? Stick and he made the pass to zary. I feel bad for Zary that was a nice play and awesome celly and huge goal. way to shaft a rookies 10th career goal and a player who could honestly be calder trophy candidate

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Leo

To me it looks like coleman wanted to catch it and pass it to himself but it hit his glove and bounced towards tavares and oesterle 50/50 play they both went for it and it ended up on backlunds? Stick and he made the pass to zary. I feel bad for Zary that was a nice play and awesome celly and huge goal. way to shaft a rookies 10th career goal and a player who could honestly be calder trophy candidate

Now we know the real reason it was called back, can’t have Zary in the Calder discussion, we all know who has to win it.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Thing is why draw the line where they did.

Would a missed call on a trip or high stick that leads to a goal be any less frustrating?

Plays like a hand pass or high stick rarely have enough influence to directly impact a goal against, I'd argue a missed penalty has way more influence on the outcome of a play.

So now they just opened up one can of worms but left the other can of worms closed and it's really very arbitrary.

You either have to review everything or review only the stuff that directly results in a goal IMO.

Sure seems like that is the obvious approach to me.

[3rd liner]

Icing on the cake was that lindholm call. Would flames have scored if that hadn’t been called? Maybe, maybe not. But that was a stick TAP. No slash. Not even close. Just puts an exclamation point on a horrible reffing display.
So, to summarize: puck can’t graze a glove and end up on a teammates stick. Also, you can’t tap an opponent’s stick with yours. If he drops it you are getting two minutes.
Will these rules apply to Mcdavid and pissy on sat night?

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

Icing on the cake was that lindholm call. Would flames have scored if that hadn’t been called? Maybe, maybe not. But that was a stick TAP. No slash. Not even close. Just puts an exclamation point on a horrible reffing display.
So, to summarize: puck can’t graze a glove and end up on a teammates stick. Also, you can’t tap an opponent’s stick with yours. If he drops it you are getting two minutes.
Will these rules apply to Mcdavid and pissy on sat night?

It was not even a tap, it was a stick lift.

It’s looking more and more that the NHL is all in this year for a Matthews/McDavid SCF, integrity be damned.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Nm

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

Huska needs to man up on these stupid calls and get upset at the refs. He just sits there quietly and lets it happen, no big deal. Is he afraid to call them on this BS???

But they technically made the right call. What’s he going to get mad at them for?

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Twitter said it's upper body, I hope it's not concussion.

He’s lucky he didn’t break his neck

[1_Flames_Fan]

Refs so their best to disallow a clear deflected goal then they make sure they get it done by disallowing a goal from a phantom hand pass. I thought Tavares or whoever it was touched the puck before the Flames player did anyways. The refs obviously didn't think it was a hand pass or they would have blown the play dead. They don't get to retroactively decide after that it was. F*** that game and F*** the Leafs!

[Barnet Flame]

Now that a good five minutes needs to pass following a Flames goal to be certain the League will let it count, the excitement of scoring is severely diminished.

Goal goes in, I cheer for a spilt second, then wonder - uh-oh, how long has it been since the last whistle? Will this get called back?

The only thing keeping me with the NHL now, is the Flames and their great effort this season. I love the spirit in this team.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So if they got to call that why was the thrown from behind the net goal the Preds scored ok?

Hell if I know. Was there ever an explanation on that? The league is full of very proud people, they’re never going to publicly admit mistakes.

[GioforPM]

They outplayed the Leafs 2 of 3 periods IMO. Sometimes you lose those games, via a goalie, bad luck, or in this case, reffing.

Good game by Vladar overall. Thought the Lindholm line was cooking, and Mangiapane had an overall decent game. The 4th line and the 3rd painting got badly exploited tonight.

[442scotty]

Just watched the Zary non goal. What a joke. Coleman tries to knock down the pass with his hand and they call this a hand pass? What a joke. The refs and the league officiating …..

[442scotty]

Really sucks for Pospisil… probably a concussion and he’s already had a few in the past. Hopefully it’s not bad because he was really coming along nicely.

[FanIn80]

The call on Lindholm was a complete joke. Dropping your stick because of a sticklift is the new diving.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Backlund22

I don’t think Flames fans would rock the stadium in Toronto. I guess more people from Toronto or fans of the team here in Calgary than vice versa, but as a unit we don’t seem to shake any buildings as away fans, even Edmonton. Even when the Oilers are in town it feels like their fans bring way more energy than we do. Would just love to see the Saddledome stand its ground and have everyone unified in putting away teams in their places.

Original Six Team and a huge history of migration west in a country.

It's not about Calgary fans doing something right or wrong. It's just history.

No point in worrying about it.

Calgary has been a head office destination city for work for most of the country for 30 years.

[Ashes]

[Calgary4LIfe]

I didn't like the officiating, but I had no issues with the goal being called back. Those are the rules, and it is one of those rules that is black and white - either there was a touch, or there wasn't. No interpretation needed. Sucks, but I don't have an issue with it. Perhaps the issue here is that it is reviewable at all - maybe the missed calls that happened should be reviewable only so far back, or so many touches back, irrespective of team? Either way, the refs reviewed it, saw the touch, and the right (but unfortunate for the Flames) call was made.


It just seems like the Flames played a really strong first period, a terribly sloppy 2nd, and a decent 3rd. That's not good enough against Mathews apparently. This is the issue for Calgary - they have to play a perfect game in all three periods, as they are missing that high-end talent.



Against Edmonton, they have to make sure that they play a perfect game. If they have another sloppy game in the neutral zone or on defence, they will get blown out. They have been doing a great job mostly for a while. I thought that they were recently sloppy against the Coyotes, but managed to win. Coyotes don't have those high-end players to turn a game, however. Playing the Leafs before playing the Oilers will hopefully be a good reminder to remain focused in an otherwise more emotional setting. Having the loud Leafs fans in the stands and knowing it is a highly-viewed game causes some players to try to do too much at times, especially on their own. Hopefully this is a reminder to just settle down, trust the system, and hold McDavid and Draisaitl to nothing. You do that, and there is a strong chance that streak is broken. You give them anything, and one goal will lead into three or four it seems.


As for the loud fans in the Saddledome from the other teams:


Vancouver fans haven't been as noticeable because they have become irrelevant. Oilers fans are now very loud too, because their team is seen as a contender and everyone is excited, while in Calgary it has been a bit disappointing. Toronto fans are all excited right now too. The best way to quiet opposing fans is to make the Flames more exciting and successful. Having a better Flames team will make the Flames actually score first, and more often, leaving the opposing fans a bit depressed. Also, there will be less of them as Flames fans want to see their 'exciting and successful' team beat those other teams, instead of having these tickets available for purchase, or using these incoming teams as a way to subsidize their season tickets. In essence, have a great team, and the opposing fans in your own arena become an afterthought, even the Leafs fans (who I think are the absolute worst, with Oilers' fans coming in a close 2nd).


Hopefully Pospisil heals up quickly and returns at the same level soon. He has been a heck of an addition. I look forward to seeing Klapka in the lineup.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I didn't like the officiating, but I had no issues with the goal being called back. Those are the rules, and it is one of those rules that is black and white - either there was a touch, or there wasn't. No interpretation needed. Sucks, but I don't have an issue with it. Perhaps the issue here is that it is reviewable at all - maybe the missed calls that happened should be reviewable only so far back, or so many touches back, irrespective of team? Either way, the refs reviewed it, saw the touch, and the right (but unfortunate for the Flames) call was made.

I shouldn't be so triggered by the lack of knowledge of this rule, but I think PTSD from the "Backlund hand pass" keeps surfacing. It isn't the rule. It isn't black and white. It isn't about whether there was a touch or not. It is 100% interpretation by the refs and this being the "right call" is totally debatable.