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[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Last year wasn’t just strong stats. He looked damn good.
And he is a damn good player
Not sure why it’s not working here

I want to see him with Dube and Kadri. Thats the closest playstyle we have to Bennett and Duclair on the team.

Huberdeau is at his best when attacking the the zone with speed and hes able to thread a through pass to a forward attacking the center of the ice with speed, or if those guys attack net front with speed and he can work into the space that vacates when they push the dmen back.

None of that has happened with his linemates this year.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKqL8PvFcg

None of his linemates attack the center of the ice like that video. Everything is grind behind the net and get the puck back to the point.

And we generate nothing off the rush because hes scared to cheat in the defensive zone and is often last forward in the zone.

Tough to make the great royal road and cross ice passes like you see in that video when your linemates are behind the net

And then there is the PP where we have him on the right half wall, or sometimes as net front now for some freaking reason. When if you look at the great Florida PP last year he's QBing from the LW half boards

I think its due to our trigger men being RH shots in Toffoli, Lindholm, and Andersson but i dont think hes as comfortable on the RW

[81MC]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Highlight of the night.

Early in the 2nd period the organist was playing the Muppets theme song. I was singing along to it in my head and then realized that he was playing the middle part where the old guys chime in.

Why do we always come here?
I guess we'll never know
It's like a kind of torture
To have to watch the show

If this is true, that’s the coolest sports story I’ve ever heard.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Joborule

To be fair to Sutter though, he's working with the roster he has. I know this forum has extremely high expectations on the players in the farm that they're gonna perform better than the top 9 players on the roster currently, but that's just not realistic.

Faceoffs and lack of finish being woeful is the responsibility of the person who's assembled the team. The blame for the current mediocracy of the team is on Treliving. There's a significant lack of offensive talent on the roster. He tried to salvage something after his two important players left the team this offseason, but the results so far indicate that it wasn't enough to replace their production, and the team is missing it significantly.

These are talented pkayers who have put up points before and have had success.

Listen to him after tonight we played against 12 champions and we had 1. So you need 12 champions to compete?

Lies about goalie stats.

He has no clue what he is doing and trying to grind wins from skilled players. The biggest mistake Treliving made was to hire him in the first place but it looks like he out did that and the extension for Sutter is even worse.

This franchises obsession with that family is maddening.

[Naitix]

This team is nowhere close to the levels of Colorado, so there is no way they will make it to the cup. You can’t really change the players much at this point, the only thing you can do is to change the coaching staff before your “stars” like Huberdeau, Kadri and Toffoli get even older. Sutter probably plays out the season but if they miss I don’t see any way Sutter is not fired

[Ashasx]

philly would

https://twitter.com/user/status/1615948205451276289

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I think you can offload weegar still

but you're stuck with huberdeau and Kadri for the long haul

kadri will at least be close to full value for a little while

I think the only other approach you can take without being able to swap core pieces is get a different set of eyes behind the bench who can see how to get the most out of this particular group

might take a change in philosophy

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Yup I think you have summarized exactly the extent of the due diligence that was done.

In fairness it would be ridiculous to expect to have extensive scouting reports on every single player in the NHL so you’re gonna have to go on some type of word of mouth and chances and points data from time to time. That’s just the reality of any business, sorry. When your star player comes in and says literally I will not sign with you, and you just got burned by your other star player lying to you that he will, and you have to make a huge high profile trade with extremely difficult negotiating position because this same guy will only go to like 4 teams?

Yeah I don’t blame them for not having extensive depth due diligence when the 115 pt player is offered up. Plus Weegar. Plus a first. Plus a great prospect.

Like, it makes sense let’s get real here. It made sense then and it still actually makes sense.

To me the biggest regret will end up being trading that 2nd first away plus Monahans expiring contract to get Kadri who has already won and was acting like a mercenary. Plain and simple. Kadri is not here to work. In the games he’s played so far I’ve seen more lazy than work. It’s very disappointing.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I want to see him with Dube and Kadri. Thats the closest playstyle we have to Bennett and Duclair on the team.

Huberdeau is at his best when attacking the the zone with speed and hes able to thread a through pass to a forward attacking the center of the ice with speed, or if those guys attack net front with speed and he can work into the space that vacates when they push the dmen back.

None of that has happened with his linemates this year.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKqL8PvFcg

None of his linemates attack the center of the ice like that video. Everything is grind behind the net and get the puck back to the point.

Tough to make the great royal road and cross ice passes like you see in that video when your linemates are behind the net

He is already with Kadri

Dube is better than Lucic but he misses on most of his shots.

[Strange Brew]

Well by points percentage they are out of a playoff spot. So they will have to play better than one of the teams above them (and all of the teams behind them).

It’s not going to be the Avs.

[zamler]

Sutter has become a serious wet blanket on this team. How could this happen?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Huberdeau isn't just a flash in the pan 115 point player look at his history he is a more consistent performer at a ppg or higher his prior year's.

A elite talent like that doesn't suddenly suck he isn't James Neal this is a star player.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by SaskyFlamesFan

It kind of reminds me of the end of his GM tenure. He acted like he was smarter than everyone else. I think the team needs a new coach. I like Treliving but I doubt he has another coach hire left so in the offseason clean house. New coach and GM.

The 3 year extension is a big problem, maybe that kind of security made Sutter too bold. Not sure Edwards would want to eat a 3 year deal.

Sutter reminds me of Trudo. Arrogant prick that think he knows all and nobdy else knows anything. Sick of his ####ty answers when he starts yapping before the question is even completed.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I want to see him with Dube and Kadri. Thats the closest playstyle we have to Bennett and Duclair on the team.

Huberdeau is at his best when attacking the the zone with speed and hes able to thread a through pass to a forward attacking the center of the ice with speed, or if those guys attack net front with speed and he can work into the space that vacates when they push the dmen back.

None of that has happened with his linemates this year.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wOKqL8PvFcg

None of his linemates attack the center of the ice like that video. Everything is grind behind the net and get the puck back to the point.

And we generate nothing off the rush because hes scared to cheat in the defensive zone and is often last forward in the zone.

Tough to make the great royal road and cross ice passes like you see in that video when your linemates are behind the net

Huberdeau's energy and effort looks way better in those clips than anything we have seen this season. I really don't think it is just a matter of line mates. He has to keep his feet moving more like he did then. Maybe he has lost his confidence or something.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Last year wasn’t just strong stats. He looked damn good.
And he is a damn good player
Not sure why it’s not working here

He is certainly being asked to play a 200 foot game. I didn’t think that would be a 40 plus game transition period for such a talented player.

[iggyloob12]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Listen to him after tonight we played against 12 champions and we had 1. So you need 12 champions to compete?

I think the point was they're champs for a reason and that they're in a different class than the Flames. He's not wrong.

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

In fairness it would be ridiculous to expect to have extensive scouting reports on every single player in the NHL so you’re gonna have to go on some type of word of mouth and chances and points data from time to time. That’s just the reality of any business, sorry. When your star player comes in and says literally I will not sign with you, and you just got burned by your other star player lying to you that he will, and you have to make a huge high profile trade with extremely difficult negotiating position because this same guy will only go to like 4 teams?

Yeah I don’t blame them for not having extensive depth due diligence when the 115 pt player is offered up. Plus Weegar. Plus a first. Plus a great prospect.

Like, it makes sense let’s get real here. It made sense then and it still actually makes sense.

To me the biggest regret will end up being trading that 2nd first away plus Monahans expiring contract to get Kadri who has already won and was acting like a mercenary. Plain and simple. Kadri is not here to work. In the games he’s played so far I’ve seen more lazy than work. It’s very disappointing.

The trade may be one thing with lack of due diligence, but if you’re going to commit massive dollars and term, you better know what you have first. Devastating thinking about this contract.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Gotta think these two last games will necessitate some lineup changes.

The lines in a blender in the third also suggests that to me.

Ruzicka is high on my list on guys to sit. I don’t know what the hell he does to warrant a regular spot.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by chedder

Just thinking out loud but is it possible Sutter's lost the room already?

Yes, obviously.

They’re lazy as ####. They all look so miserable.

I saw a documentary of the Bruins who just brought in a new coach and are now almost 30 more wins than losses. They showed the dressing room after one of their games and it looked like a nightclub the way they were partying. It was nuts. Several Bruins talking about this is the most fun they’ve had in years.

These are men in their early to mid 20’s. Hockeys fun if you’re confident and can win but Sutter looks and acts pissed 99% of the time and mocks players relentlessly for sometimes inexplicable reasons. And even when he explains things they don’t make sense or there are huge logic gaps. For example not playing young players because they are too small meanwhile guys on the team are the same size or smaller. Young players make mistakes meanwhile the vets have been making mistake’s every shift for 80 games. He relies on his cup championships and experience and has lost the room because OBVIOUSLY whatever the #### he’s doing isn’t working. So it’s not fun. It’s a mean, terrible, negative, toxic, extremely hard existence.

So yeah he lost the room and they are lazy because of it because they don’t really care, our fans sit on their hands and so home ice doesn’t mean anything, and they’re going to miss the playoffs because the Avs are the better team and will pass them.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by zamler

Sutter has become a serious wet blanket on this team. How could this happen?

not sure

strange, especially after last season where until round 2 he looked as sharp and in tune with his team as ever

not sure why the man is still so in love with markstrom and his potential. he's come nowwhere close to it in 35 games & the better part of a year

in some areas, I think he's totally gotten away from the things that helped create a formidable team in 21/22

seems almost purposefully contrarian now, just for the sake of it

won't align with the fans & media, and in some ways won't align with common sense

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Huberdeau's energy and effort looks way better in those clips than anything we have seen this season. I really don't think it is just a matter of line mates. He has to keep his feet moving more like he did then. Maybe he has lost his confidence or something.

Thats why i think he should play with two quick players in Kadri and Dube. Playing with quick guys that move their feet forces you to also move your feet.

We saw that when he was playing with Backlund and Coleman - the pace in his game picked up too.

When hes playing with Lucic it ends up slowing down both Kadri and Huberdeau IMO. Lucic looked like an anchor tonight. Slow to pucks, late on the forecheck, slow through the neutral zone. And then it slows the whole line down.

Some of this is his defensive focus too. For Huberdeau when I watch him, especially away from the puck i see a guy thats worried about making a bad read or leaving the zone early. Honestly its 10x more noticable live, he looks terrifed to get scored on.

He really looks like a guy that might be almost too bought into what Sutter wants in terms of defensive responsibility. Thinking instead of just reacting and playing naturally.