Ian Cole suspended pending investigation into sexual assault and grooming allegations

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Lol, I didn’t call you any names. Just read my post again. The questions posed.

You accused me of being a misogynist. That is straight up offside and a personal attack. It's bs. It would be like you saying Aliu was a violent hockey player and me calling you a racist. Me saying we should not be crucifying a guy over an accusation before an investigation is not misogyny.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'm not sure what to say I'm not saying he is guilty but it's like you guys are throwing Ian Cole a massive party after the NHL cleared him because they couldn't even interview the accuser.

This page is a very good example of why women have a hard time coming forward with these claims.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He also had a affair with a reporter and ruined her engagement. Great guy Ian Cole.

He likely did who ever she was marrying a favour by exposing her tendencies before they actually did tie the knot.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I'm not sure what to say I'm not saying he is guilty but it's like you guys are throwing Ian Cole a massive party after the NHL cleared him because they couldn't even interview the accuser.

Nobody's throwing anyone a party. But you, YOU, are pissy because Ian Cole hasn't been banned from the NHL over an anonymous accusation. You clearly want him punished, and punished hard. Why do you hate him so much?

This page is a very good example of why women have a hard time coming forward with these claims.

Get over yourself.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

He likely did who ever she was marrying a favour by exposing her tendencies before they actually did tie the knot.

I mean yeah she's obviously to blame here as well I'm just saying it's not a good look to be the guy who participated in the affair that caused them to break up.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I mean yeah she's obviously to blame here as well I'm just saying it's not a good look to be the guy who participated in the affair that caused them to break up.

So I repeat my earlier question: Does that make Ian Cole a rapist?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Nobody's throwing anyone a party. But you, YOU, are pissy because Ian Cole hasn't been banned from the NHL over an anonymous accusation. You clearly want him punished, and punished hard. Why do you hate him so much?



Get over yourself.

I never said I want him punished and punished hard. I never said I hate him either you are just making things up now. You are obviously celebrating that the NHL the highest court in the world cleared him. I'm not going to believe the NHL and it's thorough 2 week investigation I'm sorry if that hurts you so much.

Yes I should get over myself.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I never said I want him punished and punished hard. I never said I hate him either you are just making things up now. You are obviously celebrating that the NHL the highest court in the world cleared him. I'm not going to believe the NHL and it's thorough 2 week investigation I'm sorry if that hurts you so much.

Yes I should get over myself.

Obviously the NHL in their investigation would have contacted the police to see what they have to say about this or if the woman in question filed a report. If she didn't file a report and just went straight to social media then I don't understand why she would do that. If what she says happened she totally should have filed a police report. Why wouldn't she? Is she uncomfortable talking to one police officer about what happened but comfortable telling millions of people on social media? That seems unlikely to me.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I never said I want him punished and punished hard. I never said I hate him either you are just making things up now.

Then why do you keep banging on this drum? What DO you want? It appears to personally offend you for some reason that the NHL is allowing Ian Cole to play hockey.

You are obviously celebrating that the NHL the highest court in the world cleared him.

That is a flat-out lie. I am not celebrating anything. But you keep saying that you believe Cole is guilty.

I'm not going to believe the NHL and it's thorough 2 week investigation.

It is NOT THE NHL'S JOB to perform criminal investigations. They are not law enforcement. They have neither the personnel nor the skills nor the authority for that job.

If you want to attack someone for not doing their job, attack the police. Oh, wait, the alleged victim never went to the police, did she? Kind of makes their job tougher.

Incidentally, you still have never answered the question I posed you twice. Does having an affair with a reporter make Ian Cole a rapist?

Start engaging with the points I'm actually making, or I will simply conclude that you are not even trying to argue in good faith.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Then why do you keep banging on this drum? What DO you want? It appears to personally offend you for some reason that the NHL is allowing Ian Cole to play hockey.



That is a flat-out lie. I am not celebrating anything. But you keep saying that you believe Cole is guilty.



It is NOT THE NHL'S JOB to perform criminal investigations. They are not law enforcement. They have neither the personnel nor the skills nor the authority for that job.

If you want to attack someone for not doing their job, attack the police. Oh, wait, the alleged victim never went to the police, did she? Kind of makes their job tougher.

Incidentally, you still have never answered the question I posed you twice. Does having an affair with a reporter make Ian Cole a rapist?

Start engaging with the points I'm actually making, or I will simply conclude that you are not even trying to argue in good faith.

You keep making things up and assume I hate Ian Cole. I don't care enough about Ian Cole to love or hate him or want to see him go to jail for something he may have done.

No having an affair does not make him a rapist and I beverages called him a rapist.

I don't think anyone here has said he did or didn't do it almost everyone said the allegations are disgusting. I find it bizzare that people jumped the gun to say hes free and clear because the NHL investigation couldn't find anything. Why not wait for the Police or Court if it gets to that point to investigate and hand down a verdict.

I'm neutral on the matter. If the person lied they should face the courts and pay for it for ruining someone's image. If they are telling the truth Cole should be in jail. Until it goes further it's still a allegation at this point all I'm saying is the NHL investigation doesn't change that for me.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Then why do you keep banging on this drum? What DO you want? It appears to personally offend you for some reason that the NHL is allowing Ian Cole to play hockey.



That is a flat-out lie. I am not celebrating anything. But you keep saying that you believe Cole is guilty.



It is NOT THE NHL'S JOB to perform criminal investigations. They are not law enforcement. They have neither the personnel nor the skills nor the authority for that job.

If you want to attack someone for not doing their job, attack the police. Oh, wait, the alleged victim never went to the police, did she? Kind of makes their job tougher.

Incidentally, you still have never answered the question I posed you twice. Does having an affair with a reporter make Ian Cole a rapist?

Start engaging with the points I'm actually making, or I will simply conclude that you are not even trying to argue in good faith.

Some people believe that to criticize due process elevates their social status vis-a-vis women's issues.

It's a terrible take of course.

[jaydub74]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Obviously the NHL in their investigation would have contacted the police to see what they have to say about this or if the woman in question filed a report. If she didn't file a report and just went straight to social media then I don't understand why she would do that. If what she says happened she totally should have filed a police report. Why wouldn't she? Is she uncomfortable talking to one police officer about what happened but comfortable telling millions of people on social media? That seems unlikely to me.

The entire situation is unfortunate and it’s probably best if everyone steps back. We the public are not in a position to conclude what happened or why the alleged victim acted in the way she did. Even if she filled a report, it’s highly unlikely there would be a conviction as the evidence is he said, she said. Its essentially a black hole as evidence is required to obtain a guilty plea and there is none, but that doesn’t mean a crime wasn’t committed. It’s just unfortunate!


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[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You accused me of being a misogynist. That is straight up offside and a personal attack. It's bs. It would be like you saying Aliu was a violent hockey player and me calling you a racist. Me saying we should not be crucifying a guy over an accusation before an investigation is not misogyny.

might be more of a body of work thing than thread specific

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by FormerPresJamesTaylor

might be more of a body of work thing than thread specific

Or it might be your an ignorant troll who only posts absolute garbage posts. Like I have said multiple times, nobody cares what you think. Here is an idea, try and post something remotely rational for once.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Or it might be your an ignorant troll who only posts absolute garbage posts. Like I have said multiple times, nobody cares what you think. Here is an idea, try and post something remotely rational for once.

I don’t think anyone cares what you think, or what I think, any more than they care what he thinks. Who are you to say? You’re certainly no better than anyone else.

You do always take the side of men accused of rape and sexual abuse, though. Why is that? Just the statistics alone suggest that shouldn’t be someone’s default behaviour, but it’s yours. Maybe people wouldn’t have the wrong idea if you explained yourself instead of being so combative and rude to everyone you disagree with?

Just a suggestion. I know, I know, you’ll call me a troll or a usual suspect or some other lame thing. But maybe self-reflection is a better answer than projection.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t think anyone cares what you think, or what I think, any more than they care what he thinks. Who are you to say? You’re certainly no better than anyone else.

You do always take the side of men accused of rape and sexual abuse, though. Why is that? Just the statistics alone suggest that shouldn’t be someone’s default behaviour, but it’s yours. Maybe people wouldn’t have the wrong idea if you explained yourself instead of being so combative and rude to everyone you disagree with?

Just a suggestion. I know, I know, you’ll call me a troll or a usual suspect or some other lame thing. But maybe self-reflection is a better answer than projection.

Please point out where I have always taken the side of men accused of rape? You are making #### up again. I made it clear in the world Junior thread that I supported companies dropping Hockey Canada. I questioned Amber Heard's motives in the sexual abuse scandal and got #### on until low and behold everybody who was dragging me through the mud did an about face. I still question Evan Rachel Wood's motives against MM which seems to be again a financial move much like Heard's was, the two happen to be best friends. I never said Manson was innocent, I said the police found no evidence to charge him, his other serious relationships have said they never experienced that. I think in both Depp and Manson's cases probably all parties involved were doing some pretty disgraceful things. I condemned Cosby and still think he should be behind bars. What you and some other posters do is as soon as an accusation is made it is out with the pitchforks and if someone questions what has come out or says we should wait for the whole story to come out the words misogyny and rape supporter come flying out. Does it make you think that you will come across as some great person because you want to tar and feather every person accused of sexual assault? Like good for you but I like to get the whole story first before trying to publically ruin someone. That is social media though, all it takes is an accusation or a rumour to start for the masses to play judge without having any concrete facts or evidence to back it up. If I present a possible other scenario to the witch hunt that doesn't mean I am a rapist supporter or that I am a misogynist, it doesn't even mean I have a clue who is right and who is wrong, it's discussion. If I only see one side being presented I like to look at it from the other side when it is all speculation. Saying I always take the man's side is bs.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Obviously the NHL in their investigation would have contacted the police to see what they have to say about this or if the woman in question filed a report. If she didn't file a report and just went straight to social media then I don't understand why she would do that. If what she says happened she totally should have filed a police report. Why wouldn't she? Is she uncomfortable talking to one police officer about what happened but comfortable telling millions of people on social media? That seems unlikely to me.

Why would someone want to remain annonymous with their sexual assault allegations?

There's hundreds of reasons a person might not want to report to the police. I mean there was this little movement that occurred pretty much because of the prevalence of sexual assault and the reluctance to report or discuss it.

I highly recommend reading something like this to help you understand why someone might not go to the police:
https://www.dlawgroup.com/reasons-pe...-sexual-abuse/

But sure, you say an alleged rape victim "should" do this or that. Super easy when you're not the one raped, won't have to face the repercussions of being outed, shamed, humiliated, threatened, retraumatized.

This could just be the case of a person, who was clearly not seeking fame by remaining anonymous or money through a frivolous claim, felt the need to speak up against Cole to protect any potential future victims. Or just get it off her chest. That doesn't mean she needs to go to the police, likely get outed (remember Beach was also anonymous until everyone had found out who he was) and then have nothing happen to Cole because there is no evidence.

Could be a troll too. Sure. But the whole she should totally have done this to appease me specifically but because she is not acting how I want a victim to act by parading herself for my viewing pleasure, then I don't believe her is part of the reason these victims don't want to go to police and face the scrutiny from a bunch of neckbeards.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

I'm confused... When was Evander Kane accused of rape?

2015 and 2019? Rachel Kuechle first, Anna Kane next.

He also groped and choked three women in a bar in 2016 and tried to forcefully take one of them back to his room. Shortly after that another of Kane's ex would call him physically, emotionally and mentally abusive though I believe she stopped short of saying sexually abusive.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Why would someone want to remain annonymous with their sexual assault allegations?

There's hundreds of reasons a person might not want to report to the police. I mean there was this little movement that occurred pretty much because of the prevalence of sexual assault and the reluctance to report or discuss it.

I highly recommend reading something like this to help you understand why someone might not go to the police:
https://www.dlawgroup.com/reasons-pe...-sexual-abuse/

But sure, you say an alleged rape victim "should" do this or that. Super easy when you're not the one raped, won't have to face the repercussions of being outed, shamed, humiliated, threatened.

This could just be the case of a person, who was clearly not seeking fame by remaining anonymous or money through a frivolous claim, felt the need to speak up against Cole to protect any potential future victims. Or just get it off her chest. That doesn't mean she needs to go to the police, likely get outed (remember Beach was also anonymous until everyone had found out who he was) and then have nothing happen to Cole because there is no evidence.

Could be a troll too. Sure. But the whole she should totally have done this to appease me specifically but because she is not acting how I want a victim to act by parading herself for my viewing pleasure, then I don't believe her is part of the reason these victims don't want to go to police and face the scrutiny from a bunch of neckbeards.

So you are making the argument that she felt the need to go public because she wanted to protect others from Cole? Then why would she not cooperate with the NHL? It seems to me by not doing so and by not making it a police issue she is in fact enabling him to do so again and not protecting anyone. And exactly what scrutiny? Everybody is automatically going to be sympathetic toward her and rightfully so if her allegations are factual. What I am saying is you can't just make an accusation that she made on social media and then bail out when what she said comes under scrutiny. If it happened then she owes it to herself and possible other victims to cooperate. The problem is finding the balance, in society it has never been there. For years women were oppressed and assaulted and we swept it under the rug. Now women are coming forward and men are being held accountable and that is great but there is a problem and that is there is also women using today's movement for either revenge or financial gain. That is a huge problem because we want the offenders to be found, to be punished, and yet there are people gaming the system. I have seen someone go through it. So we have to be careful before we start saying so and so is a piece of garbage and a rapist or an abuser until we know the facts.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by wireframe

I hope the police look into it properly.

Which police would that be though?

This isn't like the World Juniors where there was a known victim and known location. OPP had jurisdiction because the alleged rape was alleged to have occurred there and was reported by the alleged victim. It was easy for them to go back and try to follow up.

I don't know a ton of the details outside of the original tweet, but it never said location right? So is St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Colorado, one of the 4 other cities he played in, his hometown or off-season city supposed to investigate?