Ian Cole suspended pending investigation into sexual assault and grooming allegations

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by troutman

Also, ‘virtue signaling’ and ‘identity politics’.

Woke agenda is cringe as hell. I can't tell if people are being ironic half the time

Virtue signaling and identity politics are actual tools in the tool kit, tried tested and true

Not sure if 'woke' will stand the test of time. People were proudly describing themselves as woke not long ago. Not sure what's worse, describing yourself as such or watching the right throw it around as if more than 1% of the left ever ran with the term

Lots of new age spiritual people describe themselves as woke but also support Trump and believe in crazy conspiracies. The venn diagram is getting pretty messy

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Still guilty. Just look at the comments a lot of posters made in here before they actually knew anything about if this happened or not. Today's society is broken, accusations are all that need to made for the public court of opinion to find you guilty and start trashing you publically. Notice how the thread was rolling with trashy comments until the investigation cleared him, then crickets.

Oh… is that so?

My wife’s former colleague has been formally charged with multiple cases of sexual assault that happened a decade ago. She’s taken several additional reports of him assaulting others & the people she’s talked to do not wish to pursue criminal actions because of associated legal, emotional, & financial costs.

The perpetrator has been doing this for decades using and exploiting power dynamics and preying on extremelyvulnerable people.

When did society break exactly?

Was it when the oxygen that people like perpetrator need to operate was sucked out of the room?

Was that when?

You’re part of the problem, or at least not part of the solution.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Oh… is that so?



My wife’s former colleague has been formally charged with multiple cases of sexual assault that happened a decade ago. She’s taken several additional reports of him assaulting others & the people she’s talked to do not wish to pursue criminal actions because of associated legal, emotional, & financial costs.



The perpetrator has been doing this for decades using and exploiting power dynamics and preying on extremelyvulnerable people.



When did society break exactly?



Was it when the oxygen that people like perpetrator need to operate was sucked out of the room?



Was that when?



You’re part of the problem, or at least not part of the solution.

Ruining people's lives over false accusations is bad

Getting justice for sexual assault victims is a big problem

There has got to be some kind of solution other than putting our heads in the sand, pretending the other side doesn't exist/matter

Figuring out actual solutions just isn't the intention 99% of the time

Taking up sides in absolutes is more comfortable/easy

[dissentowner]

[not worth it.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Oh… is that so?

My wife’s former colleague has been formally charged with multiple cases of sexual assault that happened a decade ago. She’s taken several additional reports of him assaulting others & the people she’s talked to do not wish to pursue criminal actions because of associated legal, emotional, & financial costs.

The perpetrator has been doing this for decades using and exploiting power dynamics and preying on extremelyvulnerable people.

When did society break exactly?

Was it when the oxygen that people like perpetrator need to operate was sucked out of the room?

Was that when?

You’re part of the problem, or at least not part of the solution.

No I am not. You are part of the problem when the evidence doesn't fit the accusation. Take your witch hunt and shove it.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

No I am not. You are part of the problem when the evidence doesn't fit the accusation. Take your witch hunt and shove it.

Sure do the same thing with your crony rape culture.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Sure do the same thing with your crony rape culture.

Feeling guilty about something? Experience has shown me those that make accusations with no evidence about a topic tend to be a bit oversensitive. Like the gf who cheats on her husband and then makes unfounded accusations. I will gladly keep my innocent until proven guilty culture.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I went through the entire thread, and there were maybe 2 posters that "trashed" him (in that they spread a different rumour). Almost all the posts were about a toxic culture in hockey, which would neither be proven nor unproven with this Cole investigation.

I think "crickets" is probably the best result, and it would have remained crickets until you brought back a strawman.

Strawman huh? You do realize with what was posted here that if Cole's repesentives read this thread they could sue Bingo for slander right? Maybe we should be doing better at making accusations before an investigation. Nobody wants to see that. I find it funny a so called lawyer was someone who thanked your post. He should know better.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ian Cole hasn't been cleared of anything because the NHL and it's garbage investigation find no evidence after a long two weeks. He might be innocent but we don't know buy you can't deny the smoke around him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Strawman huh? You do realize with what was posted here that if Cole's repesentives read this thread they could sue Bingo for slander right? Maybe we should be doing better at making accusations before an investigation. Nobody wants to see that. I find it funny a so called lawyer was someone who thanked your post. He should know better.

Anyone with $200 bucks can sue. They will lose though. But they’d never try anyway because proof in a civil case is a at different than a criminal one. I doubt Ian Cole wants to try and let people make a case on “chances are he did it’.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Ruining people's lives over false accusations is bad

Getting justice for sexual assault victims is a big problem

There has got to be some kind of solution other than putting our heads in the sand, pretending the other side doesn't exist/matter
Figuring out actual solutions just isn't the intention 99% of the time

Taking up sides in absolutes is more comfortable/easy

Nice false equivalency as well.

Unproven or not criminally responsible for an action does not equal false accusations.

Go look up the depths the NHL investigated this. If the victim doesn’t want to pursue actions further, it doesn’t mean they were factually incorrect.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1581428596639379456

People can be terrible manipulative garbage humans without being criminals.

The power & wealth differential in the situation, makes the complainant’s unwillingness to come forward hardly surprising. But you need empirical evidence that proves guilt like this is a car accident.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Ian Cole hasn't been cleared of anything because the NHL and it's garbage investigation find no evidence after a long two weeks.

How do you know it's a garbage investigation? Please give details of how the investigation was conducted, by whom, what it found, what it didn't find, and how it should have been conducted instead. Or else admit that you know nothing.

He might be innocent but we don't know buy you can't deny the smoke around him.

The only smoke is an anonymous accusation over social media. Maybe you're fine with having people's lives and careers ruined by stunts like that, but I'm not.

I've seen people destroyed by false accusations. If you think that's a good thing, then you deserve to have it happen to you.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Anyone with $200 bucks can sue. They will lose though. But they’d never try anyway because proof in a civil case is a at different than a criminal one. I doubt Ian Cole wants to try and let people make a case on “chances are he did it’.

They would lose huh? Despite the clear evidence? Oh do explain.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Nice false equivalency as well.

It's not a false equivalency. Destroying a person's life through false accusations is no better than destroying it through sexual assault – but you're fine with the former, apparently, if the accusation involves the latter.

Go look up the depths the NHL investigated this. If the victim doesn’t want to pursue actions further, it doesn’t mean they were factually incorrect.

So the alleged victim doesn't want to pursue the matter, but you want Ian Cole destroyed – WHY?

The power & wealth differential in the situation,

How do you even know there was one, since you don't know who the complainant is, or anything about her (assuming it is a ‘her’ and not a male troll posing as female to make trouble) except what she chooses to reveal in an anonymous statement?

makes the complainant’s unwillingness to come forward hardly surprising. But you need empirical evidence that proves guilt like this is a car accident.

You really are a nasty piece of work. Do you seriously want anonymous accusations with zero supporting evidence to be the standard of proof for destroying people's careers?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Anyone with $200 bucks can sue. They will lose though.

I'm really having a hard time believing you're a lawyer when you post ignorant crap like this. Bingo has personal experience with being sued for libel because of things said on this board. When that happens, even if you win in court, you lose time, you lose money, you lose reputation, you lose the ability to focus on doing your actual business. And no one with actual courtroom experience will ever say categorically about any case, ‘They will lose.’

[dissentowner]

I also have someone I was close to who was falsly accused of sexual assault by his ex. In the end the truth came out but he still lost everything in the process of defending himself. It's a very touchy subject. Look, we all want the people who commit these crimes to face justice and to be dealt with like the scum they are. The problem is when someone is a jilted ex or someone who has faced rejection and sets out to ruin that person's life and everyone piles in and assumes the worse. Why are we so fast to crucify someone over accusations and yet go quiet or not address the fact that maybe we should not be jumping to conclusions that someone who is accused of something is guilty of it? We can be better. We can discuss it without making accusations with no actual picture of what happened.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

How do you know it's a garbage investigation? Please give details of how the investigation was conducted, by whom, what it found, what it didn't find, and how it should have been conducted instead. Or else admit that you know nothing.



The only smoke is an anonymous accusation over social media. Maybe you're fine with having people's lives and careers ruined by stunts like that, but I'm not.

I've seen people destroyed by false accusations. If you think that's a good thing, then you deserve to have it happen to you.

Read the above tweet. Pleases DM us that's a respectable investigation about grooming and sexual assault?

He also had a affair with a reporter and ruined her engagement. Great guy Ian Cole.

I never said he was guilty but I'm not going believe the NHL and it's pathetic attempt to investigate. This is the same league who still hasn't handed down anything on Bill Peters.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Read the above tweet. Pleases DM us that's a respectable investigation about grooming and sexual assault?

The tweet said that was ONE of the things the league has done. It did not say it was the ONLY thing.

He also had a affair with a reporter and ruined her engagement. Great guy Ian Cole.

So that makes him a rapist? Tell me, what law did he break by doing that?

He wasn't the one engaged. THE REPORTER ruined her engagement by having an affair. She was perfectly capable of saying no. Or do you believe women are such helpless little snowflakes that they have to do whatever any man asks?

I never said he was guilty but I'm not going believe the NHL and it's pathetic attempt to investigate.

You don't even know what other steps the league has taken or is taking.

If the accusations are real, the victim should be taking this to the police, not to social media. That clearly hasn't happened. What powers do you think the NHL has to find an anonymous poster on the Internet?

This is the same league who still hasn't handed down anything on Bill Peters.

Oh, please. What is the league supposed to do to Bill Peters? Fire him from a job he was already fired from? Ban him from a league in which no team is ever going to hire him again anyway?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Read the above tweet. Pleases DM us that's a respectable investigation about grooming and sexual assault?

He also had a affair with a reporter and ruined her engagement. Great guy Ian Cole.

I never said he was guilty but I'm not going believe the NHL and it's pathetic attempt to investigate. This is the same league who still hasn't handed down anything on Bill Peters.

You are wording it like Ian Cole forcefully made this reporter have an affair with him. While I think what he did was wrong because he is married nobody forced her to date Ian Cole, she ruined her own engagement. That is a case of both people making bad life choices, hardly the same as a criminal accusation though.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am not perpetuating anything and stop calling me names while hiding behind a keyboard you little pos. This thread clearly shows how broken today's society is. Anyone who is accused is guilty, even after investigation. I hope you are never accused of something you didn't do and have your name dragged through the mud. Or maybe they would be justice. Why shouldn't there be a reckoning of everyone calling for this guy's head? Call me misogynistic...say it to my face man. Any fn time buddy! Fn coward....

Lol, I didn’t call you any names. Just read my post again. The questions posed.