Baertschi is on waivers

[Darkon]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I am really struggling to understand the thought processes required to believe that a Hall trade centred around giving up our junk + Mangiapane is feasible, or to believe that picking up Baertschi is in any way a useful move.

What! I am really struggling to understand what you mean by this as it works all the time for the Oilers! I have been assured the offer of Gagner, Manning and Jesse PullRV is enough to get Hall!!! (Manning is thrown in to make the cap work.) HF oil is full of these winner proposals so why shouldn't they be encouraged on CP

[Vansmack]

Originally Posted by Darkon

HF oil is full of these winner proposals so why shouldn't they be encouraged on CP

CP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>HF Oil.

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Chris Johnston @reporterchris
Sven Baertschi (VAN) clears waivers.

[Geeoff]

I think it's fair to say Rasmus Andersson would not clear waivers. Safe to call a winner on that deal.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Okay, let me be really clear because apparently this is difficult to grasp for some people.

If you are swapping a player on your NHL roster for a guy on your AHL roster, and both players make more than 1.075M, the exchange has no impact whatsoever on your cap situation. It does not matter that one player makes more than the other.

Because both players make over 1.075M, if they were to call up Baertschi and send down Schaller, the total cap space of the Canucks would be exactly the same as it is now.

I didn't. I suggested 3rd line scoring winger, which is pretty much what he is, and that the Canucks have room for one of those because their third line is more of a scoring line than a checking line. All in all, they'd be better with him in the lineup than Schaller. Not that it's the difference between them being the mediocre team they are and actually being good, mind you.

This is grossly incorrect, you candidly don't understand the CBA.
$1.075 is the maximum that can be sheltered without caphit. The remainder, DOES apply despite being buried.

But do, please, be more patronizing even in your error.

Not bothering with the rest.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

This is grossly incorrect, you candidly don't understand the CBA.
$1.075 is the maximum that can be sheltered without caphit. The remainder, DOES apply despite being buried.

That is right, which is why it doesn't matter who is in the minors if both cap hits are over 1.075.

Let me try to break this down for you. Baertschi's cap hit is 3.3M. If he is in the minors, the Canucks save 1.075 of that cap hit, and his cap hit is reduced to 2.225M. Schaller's cap hit is 1.9M. If he is on the team, the combined cap hits of both players are 4.125M. If Schaller is in the Minors and Baertschi is in the NHL, Schaller's cap hit is reduced from 1.9M to 825K. That, plus Baertschi's full cap hit of 3.3M, equals 4.125M.

That is why it does not matter which of them is in the NHL. Either way, you are only saving 1.075M off your cap. Baertschi's salary could be $1.1M or $10M, and it would make no difference.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

This is grossly incorrect, you candidly don't understand the CBA.
$1.075 is the maximum that can be sheltered without caphit. The remainder, DOES apply despite being buried.

But do, please, be more patronizing even in your error.

Not bothering with the rest.

Except, he is correct.

The portion of the salaries of both players that exceed $1.075 are both included in the team's salary cap regardless of which player is in the NHL. There is no savings if the player with a higher salary is sent down. That portion above $1.075 remains on their cap.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

This is grossly incorrect, you candidly don't understand the CBA.
$1.075 is the maximum that can be sheltered without caphit. The remainder, DOES apply despite being buried.

But do, please, be more patronizing even in your error.

Not bothering with the rest.

Not sure what's so complicated about it. Here's the math (some minor errors introduced by rounding, but you get the idea):

Schaller makes $1.9M; Baertschi makes $3.37M; so $5.27M combined.

With Baertschi in the minors their cap hits are $1.9M for Schaller and $2.29M for Baertschi; so $4.19M combined.

With Schaller in the minors and Baertschi in the NHL their cap hits are $825K for Schaller and $3.37M for Baertschi, which works out to be $4.19M too.

[cam_wmh]

#### totally right. My apologies, and thanks for writing it out.