[News] Flames buyout Michael Stone's contract after clearing waivers

[FlamesFanFromBC]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanFromBC

Not sure they can fit Tkachuk and Mangiapane with remaining cap.

• If there were able to trade Stone that extra 1.1M would have really made a difference
• Or buyout Brodie rather than Stone to get more cap room

Capfriendly says Kylington is still waiver exempt. Is that the case for the start of 2019-20 season?

Tkachuk at 8M and Mangiapane as 1.25M would fit if Dube or Kylington are sent down to Stockton.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanFromBC

Not sure they can fit Tkachuk and Mangiapane with remaining cap.

• If there were able to trade Stone that extra 1.1M would have really made a difference
• Or buyout Brodie rather than Stone to get more cap room

Yeah, no.

You can debate whether or not Brodie is a top pairing defenseman, but he is definitely a top 4. To suggest buying him out is ridiculous.

[Red]

Maybe they could dump Czarnik. Waste of a roster spot and cap space.

[Reggie Dunlop]

It's a shame things ended up this way. Hopefully he can hook up with another team and get his career back on track.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, no.

You can debate whether or not Brodie is a top pairing defenseman, but he is definitely a top 4. To suggest buying him out is ridiculous.

Correct.

Even in a very tight cap market, a player of Brodie's ability certainly doesn't have to be bought out.

[Split98]

This offseason isn't going well IMO, but I don't think it's fair to group this buyout with the others

I was fine with the signing at the time as his size and responsible defence was very appreciated at the time; I would have been irked if we just let the big guy walk. But with no cap increase, Neal sharting, a scary injury, the Tkachuk contract, trades falling through, a tough trade market and the development of our young D... Stone is one of Tre's few options. A bit more money than ideal, as UFAs usually are, but he would still have been a very serviceable D-man for us.

I'm all for warning Tre against another Brouwer or Neal... but I hope no one in the Flames org would hold Stone over his head.

[FlamesFanFromBC]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, no.

You can debate whether or not Brodie is a top pairing defenseman, but he is definitely a top 4. To suggest buying him out is ridiculous.

Not now that they've bought out Stone. But worse case scenario if you can't trade Brodie or Frolik to fit both Tkachuk and Mangepane on roster then a buyout of Brodie rather than Stone likely would have created enough cap space.

Especially if Brodie is going to be your 3rd paring dman... why not Stone instead and the extra cap room you would get.

[Locke]

Hes a good player, but we need to keep rotating our young Dmen through.

It sucks that he spent most of the last season on the IR, but hopefully he lands on his feet.

Many millions will cushion his fall.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I saw bingo write this same thing.

I don't think it's exactly a ringing endorsement to say that Treliving handcuffed himself so badly with bad contracts that he was unable to sign any more.

That seems like flat out terrible reasoning.

Good thing that wasn't said, then.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Nelson

The difference is that Mr. Haynes has 13F in his roster and CapFriendly has 14F. If you take Quine out and put him in the AHL, then you get a little more than 8.5M in cap space.

Also, Mr. Haynes has Kylington in the minors and Davidson as the 7th D.

But if mr haynes does all that won't he end up with 22 man roster? Is it not a must to have 23? Wouldn't teams send guys not playing down to manipulate the cap every year then if you could go under?

Capfriendly has 21 guys send 2 down for 1 puts roster at 20 with 2 to sign?

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's a big deal but all the GM's make these mistakes as it's just the nature of hitting and missing in free agency. The alternative is to simply never sign any top or mid-tier UFA's ever. We just saw another batch of horrible contracts handed out this summer and they weren't done by Treliving.

Pretty fair assessment but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to hold Tre accountable for buying out his 4th contract. I’m pretty sure that’s more than average.

There were some reasons to sign Stone at the time but it was an overpay in dollars and term from the outset, regardless of the emergence of young players or his injury.

Look around the league and you don’t see a lot of bottom pairing signed to $3.5 million. And he was always bottom pairing from the second he signed that contract.

[LouCypher]

I think Tre has done a good job at keeping contracts at the top of our roster down compared to what other teams are paying their top players. The tough part has been keeping the bottom of the lineup cheap and the only players that really fit that were younger up and coming guys. I do think he will learn from his over payments on middle tier and bottom tier of the lineup type players but also probably expected bigger contributions from guys like Brouwer and then Neal. Filling out bottom roster out with younger players and journeymen type guys on cheap or 2 way contracts is how things need to be done even for teams that don't have 10 million plus contracts at the top. I think buying out Stone is a good move as dumping someone else rather then making a good hockey trade would mean selling to low. Still not sure if this is enough but it is a step towards getting everyone else to fit.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

But if mr haynes does all that won't he end up with 22 man roster? Is it not a must to have 23? Wouldn't teams send guys not playing down to manipulate the cap every year then if you could go under?

Capfriendly has 21 guys send 2 down for 1 puts roster at 20 with 2 to sign?

You don't need to carry 23 players, it's just the max, the minimum is 20, and you can have anywhere in-between.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I hate to say "I told you so", but... wait, no I don't.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=127

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Awful, awful signing.

Though silver lining: it's nowhere near as bad as Russell's deal.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I hate to say "I told you so", but... wait, no I don't.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=127

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I hate to say "I told you so", but... wait, no I don't.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=127

[TheScorpion]

This wasn't an awful signing in a vacuum -- if Rasmus Andersson wasn't quite ready yet, none of us would be complaining if Stone was slotting in on the third pairing to complete his deal.

He just became redundant. That is all. He's a fine player who was no longer needed thanks to circumstances out of his control.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I hate to say "I told you so", but... wait, no I don't.

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...&postcount=127

It wasn't an awful signing though - he was a useful player for a while. Things have changed now, but that doesn't make your statement any more right.

Now, had you said: "he's going to have health issues, and the kids are all going to reach the NHL faster than we think, so this is a terrible signing", now that would have been impressive!

[Reggie Dunlop]

I think Alexander Yelesin is a lot closer to to being a NHL regular than Stockton, really. The guy was a KHL All Star. And he's a righty.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by FlamesFanFromBC

Not now that they've bought out Stone. But worse case scenario if you can't trade Brodie or Frolik to fit both Tkachuk and Mangepane on roster then a buyout of Brodie rather than Stone likely would have created enough cap space.

Especially if Brodie is going to be your 3rd paring dman... why not Stone instead and the extra cap room you would get.

Because Brodie is a good and valuable player on a bargain contract? Those players don't get bought out. Why on earth would you buy a player out when you can trade them?