Rangers fire Vigneault

[zamler]

AV has been to the finals twice and has an excellent overall record. He's not the best coach in the league but a vast improvement over waffle iron.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Pizza

This is what everyone hates about GG.

and here we are wanting to hire another guy with the same faults

It's not even remotely the same as AV is an actual great NHL coach to begin with, and GG is not. AV would make a real difference with this squad. It didn't go well with the Rangers this year as that team was in a sharp decline, which is not AVs fault.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by Dion

By the time Tre makes a decision on Gully AV will have been snapped up by another team.

He's had weeks to evaluate the situation with the team being out of it, I don't know what more he could learn about GG at this point. Treliving should be prepared to act swiftly if any scenario he has prepared for actually comes to life. Sitting on his hands at this point would be unacceptable.

[McG]

Money has to be made available.

Payouts for releasing coaches, and funding for the new coach and the staff.

Please bring a power play.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

He's had weeks to evaluate the situation with the team being out of it, I don't know what more he could learn about GG at this point. Treliving should be prepared to act swiftly if any scenario he has prepared for actually comes to life. Sitting on his hands at this point would be unacceptable.

He’s yet to have his exit meetings where guys like Brouwer, Bennett, Brodie, Stajan and Lazar say GG is the right coach for this team.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

He's had weeks to evaluate the situation with the team being out of it, I don't know what more he could learn about GG at this point. Treliving should be prepared to act swiftly if any scenario he has prepared for actually comes to life. Sitting on his hands at this point would be unacceptable.

Maybe he feels the exit interviews will give some additional insight.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by zamler

AV has been to the finals twice and has an excellent overall record. He's not the best coach in the league but a vast improvement over waffle iron.

AV comes with a near guarantee of perennial playoffs given his track record. That alone helps further this team and gives valuable experience to the growing core to learn how to play in and win games in the post season, which is precisely what they need right now but have to put off a year due to the season in which adjustments were not made in time to salvage it.

Feels like a logical next step to make behind the bench. More sensible than continuing this experiment.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Maybe he feels the exit interviews will give some additional insight.

Yeah, maybe. And if that's the case this is where he likely drops the ball.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Feels like a logical next step to make behind the bench. More sensible than continuing this experiment.

Are you kidding me? There has to be an assistant coach on some fledgling team that we can poach and pay less, and somehow still expect decent results.

AV was actually available back when we fired Gilbert and I wanted as the coach back then.

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

A 23 man roster should not employ Glass, Bartkowski, or Brouwer. That is on management.

And yet, Glass played on two AV-coached teams. The coach will have some input into player acquisitions.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Feels like a logical next step to make behind the bench. More sensible than continuing this experiment.

I've been checking every few minutes hoping to see Gulutzan has been let go. Le sigh. If we miss out on a coach like AV because "evaluations" then I dunno.....

[calgarywinning]

The path through Vancouver should never lead to Calgary. Even though I can see the upside over existing coach.

[Singularity]

I don't know about y'all, like sure AV is an improvement (i'm all in for firing GG), but AV's system is like Hartley's system and the common consensus is that he is built for a older roster. His system seems to succeed when you have a goalie like Hank, who seems to always play in 40+ saves per game.

[The Boy Wonder]

No matter what AV is or isn’t he is still 1000000 times better for this team than GlueGun

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Singularity

I don't know about y'all, like sure AV is an improvement (i'm all in for firing GG), but AV's system is like Hartley's system and the common consensus is that he is built for a older roster. His system seems to succeed when you have a goalie like Hank, who seems to always play in 40+ saves per game.

I'd take a Kananskis outhouse over GG at this point. Anything is better than constantly passing it back into the defensive zone, and playing your worst players when things are most important.

The bench would be better off uncoached. I've never seen a guy make more stupid decisions, so consistently, as Glen Gulutzan.

[shadowlord]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Can you provide some examples? I've just browsed the TOI/G reports for a bunch of seasons, and nothing jumps out to me as unusual...

But here are a couple of articles that demonstrate what me and my Canuck fans friends (ugh) observed:

https://canucksarmy.com/2013/03/11/t...ain-vigneault/

- Stubborn on his matchups
- Selects veteran players for a certain role and sticks with them even when it's not working

https://foreverblueshirts.com/case-a...ult-exhibit-b/

- Insists on distributing defensive ice-time evenly amongst all 6 D, when the bottom pair is struggling. Reminds me of Aaron Rome and the weird loyalty to Andrew Alberts.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...lan/413320002/

The Rangers have committed to a rebuilding plan, which usually means giving younger players expanded opportunities. Vigneault has a reputation for being tough on younger players.

"Being tough" on young players is good, but what the reporter tactfully saying is that he doesn't give them opportunities.

There is another article that I've misplaced that shows that AV's successes relied on hot goaltending (Luongo, Lundquist). I'll have to dig that one up.

I haven't followed the Rangers as closely, but it seems like the criticisms of him in Vancouver were similar to the ones being raised earlier this season in NYR.

Is AV better than GG? Yes. However, I think the Flames are going to need to grow some of its younger talent (Mangiapane, Andersson, Kylington, Foo, etc.) to fill its gaps, and AV was just fired from a team that wants to give its young talent more opportunities.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Singularity

I don't know about y'all, like sure AV is an improvement (i'm all in for firing GG), but AV's system is like Hartley's system and the common consensus is that he is built for a older roster. His system seems to succeed when you have a goalie like Hank, who seems to always play in 40+ saves per game.

Smith does well in those types of games.

In his career, he has faced 40+ shots in a game 56 times and has a 28-18-10 record in those games (66/112 points, 58.9%). His career average is 50% of points available (220-220-66).

[Robbob]

AV will not be in any rush to sign. Rangers will be paying him 8 million over the next two seasons for him not to coach. Unless the right situation comes along I can't see him jumping at the first job opening.

[Huntingwhale]

The pressure is on for the Flames to make a play here. AV is a damn good coach. Proven to be among the best in the league for the last 15+ years. Although I'm not a big GG hater, I do think a change is needed and the Flames definitely have a chance to right a wrong here. Big chance to show the fanbase they are serious about taking the next step after a disappointing season.

I don't doubt BT wants in on him. As much as GG was his hiring, BT has show in the past to be willing to own up to his mistakes and move forward if something good arises. He says over and over in his interviews that he is always looking to improve the team. Well, hiring a coach of this caliber would be a huge step in that direction. Let's just hope ownership is willing to bite the bullet and pony up some big bucks.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

He's had weeks to evaluate the situation with the team being out of it, I don't know what more he could learn about GG at this point. Treliving should be prepared to act swiftly if any scenario he has prepared for actually comes to life. Sitting on his hands at this point would be unacceptable.

Tre waited until May 3rd to fire Hartley.