Starting to look less likely that Jankowski makes opening day roster?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

There is a cancer in this organization. I'm starting to think it's the owners and they're putting their paws where they don't belong.

Something is amiss with the Flames.

How do you figure? I am trying to rationalize your line of thinking.

If I am an owner, I would rather have Treliving trade Brouwer away who is costing the organization a lot of money, even if it means giving up some draft picks, so I can insert a cheaper roster player. Or Stajan.

How are you figuring that the owners are having input here?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

How do you figure? I am trying to rationalize your line of thinking...

I am thinking this is your problem right here.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I like Jankowski, he had a great first year in the AHL and a great camp. He legitimately deserves a spot on an NHL roster, but I think it is a little premature to think he has earned a spot to have a guy like Matt Stajan waived and demoted.

How his skills are going to translate over 82 games can't be extrapolated by a good September showing. Playing 4th line minutes with "scrubs" is not the same as first line minutes in the AHL. These guys are usually the meanest SOBs in the league and even if its 10-12 minutes a game these lines go to war. How will Jankowski hold up to that? No one really knows yet so it would be a bit premature to lose a good veteran for nothing until you know for sure.

As for the whole "earned not given", people need to realize that this isn't about one training camp. Matt Stajan has bled and fought for this team for the better part of a decade now, up down and sideways in the lineup. Dude has taken some of the ugliest hits and came back for more. Last year he was the only forward other than the Backlund-Frolik-Tkachuk line to actually be a positive plus minus, and he was the third forward in PK minutes.

I love Jankowski, what he can bring, but until he proves he has earned the position through more than just a good couple exhibition games the last thing I want to do is get rid of a guy like Stajan for him.

This is the NHL, it's a cut throat business. Jankowski is a far supior hockey player currently regardless of what Stajan has done. This team has paid Stajan a lot more than he's worth so acting like the Flames owe him anything is ridiculous. Janko needs to start playing in the NHL and if Stajan is keeping him off the roster it's ridiculous

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

This hyperbole made me roll my eyes so hard, it hurts.

Multiple media people including Friedman have suggested the Flames owners are more involved in hockey decisions than normal and this is hyperbole?


Seems like some people are in denial.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

How do you figure? I am trying to rationalize your line of thinking.

If I am an owner, I would rather have Treliving trade Brouwer away who is costing the organization a lot of money, even if it means giving up some draft picks, so I can insert a cheaper roster player. Or Stajan.

How are you figuring that the owners are having input here?

Do you forget when Treliving wasn't signed it was reported he wanted full control of the decisions and no outside interference?

What do you think that meant?

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

This hyperbole made me roll my eyes so hard, it hurts.

Sore eyes?? Must mean you have eye cancer

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Do you forget when Treliving wasn't signed it was reported he wanted full control of the decisions and no outside interference?



What do you think that meant?

I bet it means that he currently has full autonomy.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Crazy poster is crazy

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Do you forget when Treliving wasn't signed it was reported he wanted full control of the decisions and no outside interference?

What do you think that meant?

Well, even if that speculation were true, the fact that he signed would suggest he got it, no?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Do you forget when Treliving wasn't signed it was reported he wanted full control of the decisions and no outside interference?

What do you think that meant?

What does it mean that he signed?

Edit: Beaten by Enoch and textcritic (good company). Still, terrible hot take by calgaryblood

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Do you forget when Treliving wasn't signed it was reported he wanted full control of the decisions and no outside interference?

What do you think that meant?

1st, that was a reported rumor - I never saw anything posted as a fact. If indeed it was a fact, then great. It further proves that your point was off, as there shouldn't be any further meddling, correct?

2nd, you didn't answer my question. What is your line of thinking here? Please connect the dots for me, as I just don't see how one can infer owner meddling in this case.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Well, even if that speculation were true, the fact that he signed would suggest he got it, no?

Math is hard.

[JJolg]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Do you forget when Treliving wasn't signed it was reported he wanted full control of the decisions and no outside interference?

What do you think that meant?

What do you think it meant that he signed? If your assuming that to be true then you must assume he got full control no?

[calgaryblood]

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=162032

Owners killed the Bishop trade and the Seguin trade.

While Treliving asked for no meddling it's no guarantee he got it.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

So the Flames are going to play a player in Edmonton then waive him and call up Jankowski to play in the home opener?

I never said that.

I still think a trade is a very real possibility.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by Beninho

This is the NHL, it's a cut throat business. Jankowski is a far supior hockey player currently regardless of what Stajan has done. This team has paid Stajan a lot more than he's worth so acting like the Flames owe him anything is ridiculous. Janko needs to start playing in the NHL and if Stajan is keeping him off the roster it's ridiculous

I am not saying they owe him anything, I'm saying he has earned his spot. I haven't seen anything to show me that Jankowski is a better fit for a fourth line penalty killing center at all. He put up some more points against exhibition rosters. That's awesome! Is that going to translate to being better over the course of 82 games. I don't think it's definitive enough to just eject a guy like Stajan. Jankowski may have more offensive skills than Stajan, and even that I doubt, but I disagree he is a far superior hockey player. He has done nothing to prove that yet.

[FBI]

My major problem if Janko gets sent down is this:

What more could he have done to make the team? I guess he didn't score in ALL the games. It sends a really bad message if they say, "you played great, you earned a spot, but sorry we have no room, you have to go to Stockton. "

[GranteedEV]

FWIW I can live with this since this Stajan situation resembles Ferland / Glencross three years ago.
My bigger concern is Glass. Skating around hitting things like a clown is not going to accomplish anything. Getting noticed doesn't mean he helps the team win.

[home_sweet_dome]

Originally Posted by belsarius

He put up some more points against exhibition rosters. That's awesome! Is that going to translate to being better over the course of 82 games. I don't think it's definitive enough to just eject a guy like Stajan. Jankowski may have more offensive skills than Stajan, and even that I doubt, but I disagree he is a far superior hockey player. He has done nothing to prove that yet.

LOL he was only one of the best players in the AHL last year and did basically everything possible to win a job at camp, including looking a hell of a lot better than Stajan.

The real argument should be where to play him in the top 9, not if he should be making the team.

I guess in your eyes he has to "prove it" in NHL regular season games, which is kinda hard to do if the team doesn't play him in NHL regular season games.

Ridiculous.

Good teams nowadays succeed by utilizing young players on ELC's, not by burying young guys that are clearly ready for the show.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I am not saying they owe him anything, I'm saying he has earned his spot. I haven't seen anything to show me that Jankowski is a better fit for a fourth line penalty killing center at all. He put up some more points against exhibition rosters. That's awesome! Is that going to translate to being better over the course of 82 games. I don't think it's definitive enough to just eject a guy like Stajan. Jankowski may have more offensive skills than Stajan, and even that I doubt, but I disagree he is a far superior hockey player. He has done nothing to prove that yet.

Ok so he proved it against exhibition rosters. He has done nothing to prove he can play like that against NHL rosters. How do you think he gets a chance to prove that?